Do you use parent and child spaces without children?
Discussion
PurpleMoonlight said:
xRIEx said:
No. It is not a prohibition because the benefit to you is of using the supermarket; the benefit to you is being able to drive your car to the supermarket. The existence of P&C spaces neither prohibits you from patronising the supermarket, nor driving to the supermarket. You gain no additional benefit from parking in a designated P&C space, so there is no prohibition. You can still park in the multitude of other spaces.
We are not discussing access to the supermarket in general we are discussing utilising a specific parking space.If you are not permitted to use a certain parking space you are prohibited from doing so.
To try and argue anything else is just silly.
Here is a supermarket and its car park. I've highlighted the P&C spaces.
You're saying that you want to park in that small percentage of spaces specifically because someone has said you're not allowed. There are about 20 times the number of spaces that you can park in, some of them even closer to the door than the P&C spaces, but you get the hump because of a "prohibition".
I'd say if you value your car, its paintwork et al: you should embrace the parents parking spaces.
My wifes car, with our 5 & 3 yr old girls in, doesn't have a straight panel on it: literally everything is dinged- either from her, or other motorists.
trust me, her, at all of her 7 1/2 stone, battling once with a baby, rigid baby carrier, pram, shopping, baby changing bag and a toddler really was like a mum/child zombie attack on any surroundings.
until yr a parent you just won't get what a bloody hassle it is getting kids in/out of cars with all their associated rubbish.
why you'd want to abuse these bays and park anywhere near a family car with kids in, who knows.
unless your a big fat blobby lump, akin to most of society now, who have lost the use of their legs as they wobble into the supermarket and need to use these bays ?????
My wifes car, with our 5 & 3 yr old girls in, doesn't have a straight panel on it: literally everything is dinged- either from her, or other motorists.
trust me, her, at all of her 7 1/2 stone, battling once with a baby, rigid baby carrier, pram, shopping, baby changing bag and a toddler really was like a mum/child zombie attack on any surroundings.
until yr a parent you just won't get what a bloody hassle it is getting kids in/out of cars with all their associated rubbish.
why you'd want to abuse these bays and park anywhere near a family car with kids in, who knows.
unless your a big fat blobby lump, akin to most of society now, who have lost the use of their legs as they wobble into the supermarket and need to use these bays ?????
PurpleMoonlight said:
DonkeyApple said:
Why not?
because they don't have deep seated issues with delivery drivers, just women.
Let's face reality here, what this is really about is those weirdo blokes who have issues with women. If P&C spaces were market up for father's only they wouldn't have this issue. They also wouldn't have the balls to park there. Some men are just angry at women and seize opportunities where they think they can have a go at them and get away with it.
That's what this is really about.
No it isn't.because they don't have deep seated issues with delivery drivers, just women.
Let's face reality here, what this is really about is those weirdo blokes who have issues with women. If P&C spaces were market up for father's only they wouldn't have this issue. They also wouldn't have the balls to park there. Some men are just angry at women and seize opportunities where they think they can have a go at them and get away with it.
That's what this is really about.
Statistically, this is going to be some form of anger at / fear of women to cause such a disfunctional thought process.
Money is on this kind of person having other types of outbursts of a similar fashion, such as road rage or other social failings and I would bet that the common trigger involves women.
It's a common problem amongst adult males in the UK these days as so many feel threatened. But you can probably get help on the NHS so you should be OK if you recognise your problem now and take steps to cope with it and deal with the underlying cause.
popeyewhite said:
Mave said:
PurpleMoonlight said:
Anything that is made available only to one section of society is by definition prohibited for use by the remaining sections of society. Is it not?
So is it fair to prohibit small children having safe access to a supermarket?Whether or not you have kids and park in P+C slots is entirely down to social conscience and nothing else. I think most will agree that social conscience is soon forgotten when there's nowhere else to park in the rain other than a fat empty P+C slot. Human nature etc... .
xRIEx said:
That's the issue, isn't it? A bit of rain or wind might mess your hair up because you've got that bit further to walk. This whole "lack of entitlement" thing just comes across as so wimpy. That is what saddens me, men whinging about having to walk an extra 20 or 30 metres. It's letting the side down, as much as anything.
The whole stance is farcical in that perspective. These aren't men but sad little consumer wretches. No wonder they feel so threatened by such utterly unimportant aspects of life. I blame male grooming products, just look at what it's done to places like Yorkshire and Essex.
DonkeyApple said:
The whole stance is farcical in that perspective. These aren't men but sad little consumer wretches. No wonder they feel so threatened by such utterly unimportant aspects of life.
I blame male grooming products, just look at what it's done to places like Yorkshire and Essex.
Does fake tan run in the rain?I blame male grooming products, just look at what it's done to places like Yorkshire and Essex.
xRIEx said:
Exactly. And that is why you have the attitude of a petulant child doing something they've been told not to.
Here is a supermarket and its car park. I've highlighted the P&C spaces.
You're saying that you want to park in that small percentage of spaces specifically because someone has said you're not allowed. There are about 20 times the number of spaces that you can park in, some of them even closer to the door than the P&C spaces, but you get the hump because of a "prohibition".
The rub of it is parking at the front doesn't make a quicker getaway. After you have circled for a while and nabbed a spot it is almost always as quick to have driven into one of the free spaces at the far end Here is a supermarket and its car park. I've highlighted the P&C spaces.
You're saying that you want to park in that small percentage of spaces specifically because someone has said you're not allowed. There are about 20 times the number of spaces that you can park in, some of them even closer to the door than the P&C spaces, but you get the hump because of a "prohibition".
You also get to leave the car park with less traffic. PurpleMoonlight said:
We are not discussing access to the supermarket in general we are discussing utilising a specific parking space.
If you are not permitted to use a certain parking space you are prohibited from doing so.
To try and argue anything else is just silly.
If you go to a supermarket to use the parking space then I understand your point of view.If you are not permitted to use a certain parking space you are prohibited from doing so.
To try and argue anything else is just silly.
Personally I use a parking space as part of accessing a supermarket.
PurpleMoonlight said:
blueg33 said:
Exactly QED
The supermarket has the choice, they could equally have no P&C spaces or a car park full of them, as long as they meet the law
Agreed, they are not acting unlawfully, but then neither is the person parking in a P&C bay without a C.....The supermarket has the choice, they could equally have no P&C spaces or a car park full of them, as long as they meet the law
PurpleMoonlight said:
blueg33 said:
Exactly QED
The supermarket has the choice, they could equally have no P&C spaces or a car park full of them, as long as they meet the law
Agreed, they are not acting unlawfully, but then neither is the person parking in a P&C bay without a C.....The supermarket has the choice, they could equally have no P&C spaces or a car park full of them, as long as they meet the law
Look at it this way
In your house you probably have a toilet, when you have guests who want to have a pee, you would expect them to use the toilet, thats its purpose and it is designated for people to pee. As it happens they feel as if that requirement is not fair as the living room floor is much closer and has more space, whats more they know that a baby once pee'd on it, so they pee on the floor instead.
Would you think that they have acted reasonably and unselfishly?
thismonkeyhere said:
DonkeyApple said:
The whole stance is farcical in that perspective. These aren't men but sad little consumer wretches. No wonder they feel so threatened by such utterly unimportant aspects of life.
I blame male grooming products, just look at what it's done to places like Yorkshire and Essex.
Does fake tan run in the rain?I blame male grooming products, just look at what it's done to places like Yorkshire and Essex.
xRIEx said:
popeyewhite said:
xRIEx said:
PurpleMoonlight said:
yonex said:
You can't teach a pig to dance
When all else fails, resort to personal insults I see ....I never stated it was an analogy, because it isn't; I stated 'aphorism'. Maybe you should revise your Greek etymologies before accusing my English of being poor. I would direct you to some sources that might help you learn but as we all know, you can lead a horse to water but you can't make him drink. <---- OH s
t, LOOK! ANOTHER IDIOM! Luckily I don't have a horse, so I can't literally mean I'm leading it to water, it's just a metaphorical aphorism meaning, in this case, that you can present all the information to an idiot but they still won't be able to understand it. Well, well, well. (Three watery holes in the ground, no horses. Or dancing pigs. No wait, there must be dancing pigs because it wasn't a metaphor! Silly me. I'll get on Youtube and look for some pig dancing lessons.)popeyewhite said:
Parent and child parking space supporters on here are remarkably vicious for a section of society that doesn't even have the backing of the law, just some yellow paint on tarmac. Some behave quite like children, actually. Perhaps some kind of segregation is best for them PurpleMoonlight. Maybe their own queues as well... .
So what? Why does it need the backing of law?I asked these earlier, maybe you would like to reply:
- Do you drive into the 'Deliveries Only'/'Service Vehicles Only' area of a supermarket (or other establishment)?
- Do you go through doors marked 'Staff Only'?
- Do you ever go to the stockroom if an item you want isn't on the shelves?
None of these activities have the "backing of law", so if you don't do them, why not?
I think people without children who park in P&C spaces when other spaces are available are Dancing Arses, don't ask me to define that tho lol
If is see it happen, I will always take the time to write "cock" on the boot or bonnet with a wet finger! And yes if I get there in time I will tell them in person they are a cock. It's like the tw8ts in range rovers who park in the disabled and on the yellow lines in front of the door at my local Tesco.
PurpleMoonlight said:
Monkeylegend said:
Can we call it a draw chaps, this is getting so tedious.
Probably best.
If he does not want to be wrong he (an assumption) could always move to a dictatorship. Don't think that will happen as bad things tend to happen to opposers of the system there.
PurpleMoonlight what are you trying to achieve here?
A supermarket is a commercial entity, of course everything including P&C spaces are going to be commercial decisions therefore. It's not about you, or denying you anything. It is about providing benefit to those who need it more than you. Surely you see this?
I wonder what is your agenda with all this effort, even more surprising given that you say you don't use these spaces during the day?
swerni said:
PurpleMoonlight said:
yonex said:
The fact that a grown man is using all his intellectual might trying to prove that there is some higher meaning to this and that having to take a few more steps in a sodding car park somehow impinges on his on his daily life, is totally and utterly ridiculous.
Furthermore to try and take offence from the above quote when all you have done throughout this thread PurpleMoonlight is prove beyond any reasonable doubt at all that you are deeply selfish person is so disingenuous and lacking in thought that only someone quite, quite mad would attempt it.
If you actually bothered to read what I have written rather than continue with your incessant diatribe you would discover that personally I do not actually use the P&C bays during the day.Furthermore to try and take offence from the above quote when all you have done throughout this thread PurpleMoonlight is prove beyond any reasonable doubt at all that you are deeply selfish person is so disingenuous and lacking in thought that only someone quite, quite mad would attempt it.
Is it some kind of one man protest, or do you just not like walking the extra few yards?
For the same reason, I ignore parking bay lines and other markings when the place I am using is deserted or virtually so. There are probably quite a few other things I do which at the time I do them are useful to me and affect no-one but at other times would be unacceptable. This is because I am capable of thinking in more than black and white terms. I don't/didn't store CDs (yes I am old) in alphabetical order either and I have one box of ring spanners which contains metric AND imperial sizes. Worst of all, my clothes are hung in random order!
I just thought of another ghastly breach which occurred only last week. I transferred the use of a hotel room to someone else in direct contravention of the hotel's terms and conditions. I did this to stop me losing £250 and because no-one would be harmed or inconvenienced by my breach. I guess this is but a short step from mugging old ladies next week but there you go.
Edited by 9mm on Saturday 28th February 09:32
Edited by 9mm on Saturday 28th February 09:35
JagXJR said:
I appreciate the peace-keeping gesture MonkeyLegend but since well over 90% of the posters disagree with PurpleMoonlight, in a democracy he is wrong.
If he does not want to be wrong he (an assumption) could always move to a dictatorship. Don't think that will happen as bad things tend to happen to opposers of the system there.
PurpleMoonlight what are you trying to achieve here?
A supermarket is a commercial entity, of course everything including P&C spaces are going to be commercial decisions therefore. It's not about you, or denying you anything. It is about providing benefit to those who need it more than you. Surely you see this?
I wonder what is your agenda with all this effort, even more surprising given that you say you don't use these spaces during the day?
He's probably at Tescos raging at the abject discrimination of Tampax. If he does not want to be wrong he (an assumption) could always move to a dictatorship. Don't think that will happen as bad things tend to happen to opposers of the system there.
PurpleMoonlight what are you trying to achieve here?
A supermarket is a commercial entity, of course everything including P&C spaces are going to be commercial decisions therefore. It's not about you, or denying you anything. It is about providing benefit to those who need it more than you. Surely you see this?
I wonder what is your agenda with all this effort, even more surprising given that you say you don't use these spaces during the day?
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