Unwilling to assist a 3 point turn on an on slip - wrong?
Discussion
Atterz said:
If you had blocked myself i would have got out and punched you in the head. As above, why a obstruct people from doing what is common sense. Your obviously very British in the view of queuing. Do you get angry when people overtake you as well?
Irrespective of what's right and wrong in this situation, it's good to see that rather than ask the OP to move you'd have gone straight for the assault What a moron.
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Tricky. Anecdotal commentary from colleagues that have see drivers done, I don't know. Depends what you can see I suppose. One fella reversing back up a slip road once was nearly collecting all the cars going down it. Jcn 22southbound m5 for anyone that knows it.
What happens if the emergency services need to get down it at speed? I will go for sit tight and wait for the police to say so and not get involved in case it gets messy.
What happens if the emergency services need to get down it at speed? I will go for sit tight and wait for the police to say so and not get involved in case it gets messy.
ferrariF50lover said:
Ahahahahahahah, megalolz roflcopter at a Neanderthal referring to himself as "myself". Are you an estate agent, by any chance?
As for the original question, I'm a little torn. On the one hand, yes, doing a U turn on a slip road seems dangerous, but on the other, in these circumstances, it's probably both possible and practical to coordinate the safe [what Andy McNab would call] exfiltration of cars from where they were stuck.
My solution would probably have been to go to the back of the queue, recruit some volunteers and marshall the traffic from back to front. Someone to stop anyone else joining the queue, someone to head down the queue telling people what's going on and someone to tell people when to reverse back to the slip road. The coordinator monitors these three people and directs them according to the presence of emergency vehicles or any other relevant factor. That way, everyone is nice and safe and the operation is controlled, rather than chaotic.
As one chap pointed out earlier in the thread; we're grown-ups, we can take care of ourselves in a situation such as this.
Simon.
I would agree. If you were facing total lockout and no more traffic was joining from behind and you'd been there for long enough to appreciate that the Services were using an entry further up then (if it's really that bad a jam would the police not be policing the entry and exits the Services are using?) then forming a committee, working out how best to co-ordinate controlling traffic back into the roundabout/slip entry, how to safely prevent any new traffic from joining and how to keep the exiting traffic tucked over etc seems very logical. As for the original question, I'm a little torn. On the one hand, yes, doing a U turn on a slip road seems dangerous, but on the other, in these circumstances, it's probably both possible and practical to coordinate the safe [what Andy McNab would call] exfiltration of cars from where they were stuck.
My solution would probably have been to go to the back of the queue, recruit some volunteers and marshall the traffic from back to front. Someone to stop anyone else joining the queue, someone to head down the queue telling people what's going on and someone to tell people when to reverse back to the slip road. The coordinator monitors these three people and directs them according to the presence of emergency vehicles or any other relevant factor. That way, everyone is nice and safe and the operation is controlled, rather than chaotic.
As one chap pointed out earlier in the thread; we're grown-ups, we can take care of ourselves in a situation such as this.
Simon.
It would start to cross my mind to facilitate something sensible. And then what would cross my mind is that within the group of people who are also stuck will be a selection of 'Them'. The weasels, the snides, the grasses, the paperwork cowards. The people who will claim that your actions forced them to do something that they never wanted to do, the people for whom their happiness rests on bringing unecassary misery to others. The people that no one else in society can understand but have all been victim to the people who will support you all the way and then turn around and try and ruin you. They are always there and I would probably decide that it was just easier to sit still for a few hours and have a nap than invite them into my life.
Impasse said:
Blimey. You'd probably get a badge to sew onto your sleeve for organising that.
Ahaha, that's probably exactly what would happen. Of course, seeing it all written down, it looks much more complex than it really is. Reminds me of the time I was trying to explain to a mathematically challenged mate how to work out the mean average of about 6 numbers. I suddenly realised that, when you can't just say, "add them all up and divide by the number of numbers you started with", the process starts to sound really laborious.
As to the chap above me who suggests that I'd likely come across some of Them, you're probably right. 10 years ago, it would have been a perfect plan, but today, after many, many years of Labour dumbing down and finger pointing, we can chuck it straight in the bin along with all the other personal freedoms and responsibility with which we were, for so many years, trusted.
Simon.
littleredrooster said:
ferrariF50lover said:
Reminds me of the time I was trying to explain to a mathematically challenged mate how to work out the mean average of about 6 numbers.
Two completely different animals, mathematically speaking.exsqueeze me ?
there are three types of average
mean = sum of the values divided by the number of values in the set
median = the middle value when the values are arranged in ascending / descending order
mode = the most commonly occuring value in the set
I have never turned round on a slip road, or personally witnessed anyone who has. And I commuted the M25 lower section for 5 years.
As far as I have been led to believe under the highway code, once you are on a slip road you are committed and THERE IS NO turning back.
In fact, decades of Police-camera-action type shows have highlighted how wrong it is (danger to self and others) and also how many points are up for grabs, if you do it. Every junction in the country has CCTV camera's after all.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/travelnews/londonm25/trafficc...
The ONLY way that I can see it happening without prejudice, is as stated by a few others..
- Somebody organises an exodus of cars (reversing), starting from the rear car.
Even then, everyone involved could still be eligible for a prize winning envelope in the post from DVLA. (Its the law and potentially unavoidable!!).
I do wonder how many of the people in the OP's post get a NIP very soon????
[b] USEFUL HINT:
BTW. If you all save down the link I posted above, you can use it as a live feed in the winter to see if it is snowing heavily near to where you live. [/b]
As far as I have been led to believe under the highway code, once you are on a slip road you are committed and THERE IS NO turning back.
In fact, decades of Police-camera-action type shows have highlighted how wrong it is (danger to self and others) and also how many points are up for grabs, if you do it. Every junction in the country has CCTV camera's after all.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/travelnews/londonm25/trafficc...
The ONLY way that I can see it happening without prejudice, is as stated by a few others..
- Somebody organises an exodus of cars (reversing), starting from the rear car.
Even then, everyone involved could still be eligible for a prize winning envelope in the post from DVLA. (Its the law and potentially unavoidable!!).
I do wonder how many of the people in the OP's post get a NIP very soon????
[b] USEFUL HINT:
BTW. If you all save down the link I posted above, you can use it as a live feed in the winter to see if it is snowing heavily near to where you live. [/b]
Well. Much as I'd like to side with the OP in this, I was faced with a difficult choice myself once, and chose to use an 'on slip' road to exit the motorway. I was heading anticlockwise on the M25 near Heathrow, heading home from work, when I got a call from work summoning me back. I know that I could have just sat in the queue of solid traffic, but I needed to turn around and head clockwise, back to Essex, 'tout de suite!'
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