RE: S65 AMG joins S Class Coupe range

[Erudite geezer]

If I was in the market for a large, expensive coupe, and I can assure you I'm not, I would choose this over the Bentley or Rolls Royce rival.

It is achingly desirable.

[gumsie]

Erudite geezer said:

If I was in the market for a large, expensive coupe, and I can assure you I'm not, I would choose this over the Bentley or Rolls Royce rival.

It is achingly desirable.

Mee too but I think I’d choose a W216 over this.

[F1GTRUeno]

It looks far too dumpy with the minimal glass house and massive doors.

Not a pretty thing.

[philmots]

Erudite geezer said:

If I was in the market for a large, expensive coupe, and I can assure you I'm not, I would choose this over the Bentley or Rolls Royce rival.

It is achingly desirable.

+1

It's fantastic.. and so much more desirable than the S63. The chrome and wheels really set it off.

[jimbop1]

FrankUnderwood said:

The day a diesel ends up in a CL will mark the beginning of the end for great cars.

I think it would suit a big diesel.

[Debaser]

Another powerful RWD car. Excellent!

[E65Ross]

jimbop1 said:

FrankUnderwood said:

The day a diesel ends up in a CL will mark the beginning of the end for great cars.

I think it would suit a big diesel.

Presumably you think a big diesel would suit a DB9, Bentley CGT, or perhaps even a Rolls Royce Wraith too?

These top end GT cars deserve a nice big petrol. They've never, ever made a diesel CL. The whole point of a CL is ultimate in smoothness and refinement. A diesel doesn't do it as well as a petrol.

[H100S]

5980cc V12, two turbos, 630hp at 4,800rpm-5,400rpm, 737lb ft from 2,300-4,300rpm.

So why 7 gears?

[E65Ross]

H100S said:

5980cc V12, two turbos, 630hp at 4,800rpm-5,400rpm, 737lb ft from 2,300-4,300rpm.

So why 7 gears?

What a daft comment....

Because it offers better performance and economy over having fewer gears. Thought that would have been quite obvious. More gears means it can produce more power, more of the time, thus be faster.....or be in the "economy point" more of the time.

My 745i for example, will start off in 3rd gear if I want it to, and 5th goes up to 165mph or so, and it'll happily pick that gear up from 40mph or so, meaning you don't NEED 4th. So really, let's say it needs 2 or 3 gears....it sure as st wouldn't be anywhere near as fast or as efficient than it does have with a 6 speed box.

[H100S]

E65Ross said:

H100S said:

5980cc V12, two turbos, 630hp at 4,800rpm-5,400rpm, 737lb ft from 2,300-4,300rpm.

So why 7 gears?

What a daft comment....

Because it offers better performance and economy over having fewer gears. Thought that would have been quite obvious. More gears means it can produce more power, more of the time, thus be faster.....or be in the "economy point" more of the time.

My 745i for example, will start off in 3rd gear if I want it to, and 5th goes up to 165mph or so, and it'll happily pick that gear up from 40mph or so, meaning you don't NEED 4th. So really, let's say it needs 2 or 3 gears....it sure as st wouldn't be anywhere near as fast or as efficient than it does have with a 6 speed box.

Why is it a daft comment? Mentioning economy when commenting on a twin turbo 6litre v12 no thats a daft comment especially when you say a 745 will set off in 3rd and does not really need 4th.

a proper old fashioned 5 speed torque converter auto would be mega in this, feel the reach of the engine rather than it shuffling gears all the time. Its got 737lb!! use it.

Edited by H100S on Monday 14th July 22:29

[Studio117]

The 100mph to limiter speed must be ridiculous. The hp race is not dead!

630hp in a oem luxury coupe is just hilarious!

[W12JFD]

jas xjr said:

bloody hell , you have an amazing memory

"as flash as a rat with a gold tooth." - Looks better than the Merc….

Edited by W12JFD on Monday 14th July 22:35

[DJRC]

E65Ross said:

jimbop1 said:

FrankUnderwood said:

The day a diesel ends up in a CL will mark the beginning of the end for great cars.

I think it would suit a big diesel.

Presumably you think a big diesel would suit a DB9, Bentley CGT, or perhaps even a Rolls Royce Wraith too?

These top end GT cars deserve a nice big petrol. They've never, ever made a diesel CL. The whole point of a CL is ultimate in smoothness and refinement. A diesel doesn't do it as well as a petrol.

Their 4ltr V8 twin turbo diesel would have been perfect in the CL. The best engine Merc made until they stopped it in 2012. Absolutely perfect for European cruising...because I use it exactly for that in the ML.

[jimbop1]

E65Ross said:

jimbop1 said:

FrankUnderwood said:

The day a diesel ends up in a CL will mark the beginning of the end for great cars.

I think it would suit a big diesel.

Presumably you think a big diesel would suit a DB9, Bentley CGT, or perhaps even a Rolls Royce Wraith too?

These top end GT cars deserve a nice big petrol. They've never, ever made a diesel CL. The whole point of a CL is ultimate in smoothness and refinement. A diesel doesn't do it as well as a petrol.

No, just the Merc.

Just because they have never made a diesel CL doesn't mean they shouldn't. Diesel engines have changed.. For instance I'd choose the 4.4 diesel Range Rover over the petrol.

[Gatsods]

foxhounduk said:

Saw this at Goodwood guys and the interior is a disappointment. Looks cheap, barren and haphazard. The vents looked like they would break if you opened them a few times. The center console was something out of a Fisher Price car. Other randoms at the show agreed too, I could hear them when I was sat in the driver's seat. There's no doubt though that from the outside it looks a peach. I just hope the drive of this thing makes up for it, because at this price, the interior is somewhere you don't want to be in.

Could not disagree with you more if I tried vis a vis the interior! Absolutely wonderful cabin IMO, great design and materials. Just like the saloon, which has one of the finest interiors I've ever sat in furnishing it.

[philmots]

Studio117 said:

The 100mph to limiter speed must be ridiculous. The hp race is not dead!

630hp in a oem luxury coupe is just hilarious!

I agree impressive numbers, but it's not that much more impressive than the S/CL65 made 10 years ago..

It should really be knocking on the door of 700hp, specially for the price.

I still love it though.

[BarbaricAvatar]

"Probably quite fast". Definitely very ugly.
Looks like a Renault Laguna Coupe smashed full-pelt up the rear of a Peugeot 308, then they slapped a 3-pointed star on the grille.

[jimbop1]

It really doesn't.

[sealtt]

E65Ross said:

You've not been in a V12 GT car have you. The difference is smaller but how about I ask you this....

Why not have a very very highly strung 2.0 turbo churning out 600bhp instead of this?

The V8 is far from rough (I recently went in a CL63 AMG a month or so back) but a V12 would suit it superbly.

Point missed I think.

I actually think the main point - and this applies to all the '65 variants - is not necessarily about any particular improvement over the '63 AMG engine, it is about having the cash (and balls) to drop £180k on an S class.

You could buy any number of exotic sports cars, luxury cars, etc ... but you buy the Benz which only a tiny % of people will know is anything especially different to the S500 or S63 they saw earlier... and you take the most monumental depreciation hit imaginable, got to be one of the worst... and you couldn't care less.

Nothing says money like ordering a brand new '65.

[F1GTRUeno]

sealtt said:

Nothing says money like ordering a brand new '65.

Any Rolls-Royce would do that better.

Not to mention all the supercars that are more expensive...