Tractors to pullover
Discussion
saaby93 said:
skyrover said:
Same situation applies to two lane roads as well... these were just the first images that popped up on google for me 
It would certainly help lower deaths on UK country roads as well
Go on then how would it do that?It would certainly help lower deaths on UK country roads as well
Aren't most accidents on rural roads within the built up bits (villages) or junctions not the scene in the photo?
PanzerCommander said:
The problem comes when you get a tractor and trailer and a couple of people that are terrified to overtake that the problems start.
This!Just this morning I came up behind a large queue of traffic traveling at 30MPH in a NSL, a tractor causing said queue.
I was around 10 cars back and the car just behind the tractor had many safe opportunities to overtake but wasn't taking them! There was no way I would be able to pass circa 10 cars and a tractor so had to sit back and wait, very frustrating.
skyrover said:
saaby93 said:
skyrover said:
Relatively speaking, we have fantastic driving education here in the UK... the fact is our rural roads are by far our most dangerous due to their physical nature
Which part of their physical nature?Rural roads includes the villagery bits
A couple of years back we looked at accidenty maps and most were in the villagery bits or at a bad junctiony rather than the blind cornery parts where you tend to watch out.
Do you think when the headline is 'dangerous rural roads' most people think of an empty road rather than a couple of cars, one parked outside the village post office?
saaby93 said:
eed to get to the bottom of this
Rural roads includes the villagery bits
A couple of years back we looked at accidenty maps and most were in the villagery bits or at a bad junctiony rather than the blind cornery parts.
Do you think when the headline is 'dangerous rural roads' most people think of an empty road rather than a couple of cars, one parked outside the village post office?
When was the last time you saw a car on it's roof in a village?Rural roads includes the villagery bits
A couple of years back we looked at accidenty maps and most were in the villagery bits or at a bad junctiony rather than the blind cornery parts.
Do you think when the headline is 'dangerous rural roads' most people think of an empty road rather than a couple of cars, one parked outside the village post office?
Matt UK said:
skyrover said:
The problem is... our rural roads "should" look like this, with grassy shoulders to minimize blind corners and provide passing opportunity.
instead they look like this...
Personally I prefer the second pic. Less top soil erosion from the wind and more hedgerow for birds and insects. instead they look like this...
Tractors are half the problem, it is those people that sit there waiting for the tractor to pull over instead of overtaking when it can be done safely.
They sit with blind faith stern fast hands attached to the wheel like there life depends on it.
I usually end up overtaking but i am sure one day they will pull out on me. I usually check my mirrors a few times and have seen one sit behind a tractor on a straight road for at least a mile before i lost sight.
They sit with blind faith stern fast hands attached to the wheel like there life depends on it.
I usually end up overtaking but i am sure one day they will pull out on me. I usually check my mirrors a few times and have seen one sit behind a tractor on a straight road for at least a mile before i lost sight.
The law as it should be:
- If you're following 2 car lengths or more behind a tractor = No fine, your punishment for failing to overtake is a slow journey
- If you're following up the chuff of a tractor = Gajillion pound fine and a few centuries of hard labour
skyrover said:
saaby93 said:
Need to get to the bottom of this
Rural roads includes the villagery bits
A couple of years back we looked at accidenty maps and most were in the villagery bits or at a bad junctiony rather than the blind cornery parts.
Do you think when the headline is 'dangerous rural roads' most people think of an empty road rather than a couple of cars, one parked outside the village post office?
When was the last time you saw a car on it's roof in a village?Rural roads includes the villagery bits
A couple of years back we looked at accidenty maps and most were in the villagery bits or at a bad junctiony rather than the blind cornery parts.
Do you think when the headline is 'dangerous rural roads' most people think of an empty road rather than a couple of cars, one parked outside the village post office?
I've seen one alongside a fast A road - that will be rural
and one in town where one car clipped another - that's not rural
What about non-onroofers?
I agree, it's the numpties who can't/won't overtake and artificailly lengthen the tailback who are the problem, I don't blame the tractors. Besides, it's a working environment, they're there doing their job, and probably don't want to be going any slower than they have to themselves.
Probably why farmers have a stereotype of being grumpy, anyway. If you had something with 400bhp that only did 28mph, you'd be a bit narked off, too.
Probably why farmers have a stereotype of being grumpy, anyway. If you had something with 400bhp that only did 28mph, you'd be a bit narked off, too.
I wish the Police put this sort of message across country-wide. The point about frustration causing rash and dangerous manoeuvres is entirely correct and not as recognised as it should be.
I'd like to introduce a sign which reminds drivers to check their mirrors, and to pull over if they see a queue, but I think it would be nigh-on impossible to get authorised by the DfT, and truck drivers would just say "I'm doing 40mph, that's my limit, I don't need to, and won't, pull over."
Causing a queue - or at least, failing to address it once you've caused it, should be a points-carrying offence. Being sheer bloody-minded about it, and refusing to pull in or make life easier for passing traffic is ignorant and
ish.
I'd like to introduce a sign which reminds drivers to check their mirrors, and to pull over if they see a queue, but I think it would be nigh-on impossible to get authorised by the DfT, and truck drivers would just say "I'm doing 40mph, that's my limit, I don't need to, and won't, pull over."
Causing a queue - or at least, failing to address it once you've caused it, should be a points-carrying offence. Being sheer bloody-minded about it, and refusing to pull in or make life easier for passing traffic is ignorant and
ish. skyrover said:
When was the last time you saw a car on it's roof in a village?
Last Thursday, outside my house! fk knows how he managed that!http://www.cambridge-news.co.uk/Royston/Road-block...
crostonian said:
I thought they were meant to do this anyway.
I have some inkling that it's council-operated (official/authority operated, whatever that definition is) slow moving vehicles have to pull over (when safe to do so etc.) when a queue of 5 or more vehicles has built up behind them; there's no obligation on farm traffic to do so.That could be b
ks, of course, because I can't find any reference to it now.ETA: "The police recommendation to slow-moving vehicles is to pull over, where it safe to do so, when you have six or more vehicles behind you."
"Some staff on farms who drive tractors, particularly migrant workers from overseas, may be unaware that failure to pull over when you have a long queue of traffic behind you could constitute an offence of inconsiderate driving," said Sgt Jones.
"The offence could earn you 3 to 9 points on your licence and a fine of up to £5,000. We would urge farm owners to ensure that that staff are aware of the law and they should pull over where necessary and safe to do so. A little consideration for others goes a long way."
From https://www.westmercia.police.uk/news/news-article...
Edited by xRIEx on Sunday 20th July 19:10
There are actually very few places to pull over, so the traffic build ups behind can get quite impressive. When you do find somewhere to pull over it's very rare to get anyone thank you. The machines we are using now can be bloody massive and take some moving around. I don't expect someone that only ever drives a car to have any comprehension of what it's like to move this gear about, but shirley they must realize we are busy or we wouldn't be on the road and not out on our way to tea and cakes.
My new tractor and the one before are that fast that I'm soon breathing down the neck of Mavis in her Micra when she pulls out of the neighboring garden center in front of me.
My new tractor and the one before are that fast that I'm soon breathing down the neck of Mavis in her Micra when she pulls out of the neighboring garden center in front of me.
skyrover said:
saaby93 said:
skyrover said:
Same situation applies to two lane roads as well... these were just the first images that popped up on google for me
It would certainly help lower deaths on UK country roads as well
Go on then how would it do that?It would certainly help lower deaths on UK country roads as well
Aren't most accidents on rural roads within the built up bits (villages) or junctions not the scene in the photo?
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