Tractors to pullover
Discussion
Cyder said:
Perhaps they could include caravan towing folk in this too. Many seem to be towed as slowly as tractors drive in the narrow roads.
Living in cornwall and doing a job which involves a fair bit of rural driving, tractors are somewhat a regular occurrence for me. Pretty much most of the time they pull in to an available layby and I have to say generally they are driven in a courteous manner.HOWEVER motor homes, caravans (as said) and dithering emits are a different matter. A massive queue of traffic will often follow these at roughly 35mph in a national limit for many miles, sometimes even holding up tractors. yet they NEVER pull in. But I do have a chuckle when I see them turn down a road which is totally unsuitable for them (typical satnav)
skyrover said:
The problem is... our rural roads "should" look like this, with grassy shoulders to minimize blind corners and provide passing opportunity.
instead they look like this...
Thank flying finstead they look like this...
k they don't. 
But, thanks to Frank Whittle, people can easily f
k off if they don't like it. 
I've never had an issue with tractors. Firstly, the drivers do a more important job than the irate coat hanger vendor stuck behind. Secondly, they always seem to pull over when they can if the queue behind is considerable.
The real problem is the car drivers who both won't overtake and more crucially, the modern selfish attitude of leaving no space for others to work their way through.
Frankly they are the problem. Selfish little English sts who all bunch up are the real obstacle when you meet a slow moving vehicle on the roads.
If any law needs to be passed its one that tells car drivers that tractor drivers are more important than they are.
The real problem is the car drivers who both won't overtake and more crucially, the modern selfish attitude of leaving no space for others to work their way through.
Frankly they are the problem. Selfish little English s
ts who all bunch up are the real obstacle when you meet a slow moving vehicle on the roads. If any law needs to be passed its one that tells car drivers that tractor drivers are more important than they are.
DonkeyApple said:
I've never had an issue with tractors. Firstly, the drivers do a more important job than the irate coat hanger vendor stuck behind. Secondly, they always seem to pull over when they can if the queue behind is considerable.
The real problem is the car drivers who both won't overtake and more crucially, the modern selfish attitude of leaving no space for others to work their way through.
Frankly they are the problem. Selfish little English sts who all bunch up are the real obstacle when you meet a slow moving vehicle on the roads.
If any law needs to be passed its one that tells car drivers that tractor drivers are more important than they are.
I see that your profile says you live in London.The real problem is the car drivers who both won't overtake and more crucially, the modern selfish attitude of leaving no space for others to work their way through.
Frankly they are the problem. Selfish little English s
ts who all bunch up are the real obstacle when you meet a slow moving vehicle on the roads. If any law needs to be passed its one that tells car drivers that tractor drivers are more important than they are.
Willy Nilly likes this. derin100 said:
DonkeyApple said:
I've never had an issue with tractors. Firstly, the drivers do a more important job than the irate coat hanger vendor stuck behind. Secondly, they always seem to pull over when they can if the queue behind is considerable.
The real problem is the car drivers who both won't overtake and more crucially, the modern selfish attitude of leaving no space for others to work their way through.
Frankly they are the problem. Selfish little English sts who all bunch up are the real obstacle when you meet a slow moving vehicle on the roads.
If any law needs to be passed its one that tells car drivers that tractor drivers are more important than they are.
I see that your profile says you live in London.The real problem is the car drivers who both won't overtake and more crucially, the modern selfish attitude of leaving no space for others to work their way through.
Frankly they are the problem. Selfish little English s
ts who all bunch up are the real obstacle when you meet a slow moving vehicle on the roads. If any law needs to be passed its one that tells car drivers that tractor drivers are more important than they are.
Even if I didn't have a home in the country, like many Londoners we still have family out in the country and we also drive out to it on regular basis.
Bradley1500 said:
PanzerCommander said:
The problem comes when you get a tractor and trailer and a couple of people that are terrified to overtake that the problems start.
This!Just this morning I came up behind a large queue of traffic traveling at 30MPH in a NSL, a tractor causing said queue.
I was around 10 cars back and the car just behind the tractor had many safe opportunities to overtake but wasn't taking them! There was no way I would be able to pass circa 10 cars and a tractor so had to sit back and wait, very frustrating.
DonkeyApple said:
derin100 said:
DonkeyApple said:
I've never had an issue with tractors. Firstly, the drivers do a more important job than the irate coat hanger vendor stuck behind. Secondly, they always seem to pull over when they can if the queue behind is considerable.
The real problem is the car drivers who both won't overtake and more crucially, the modern selfish attitude of leaving no space for others to work their way through.
Frankly they are the problem. Selfish little English sts who all bunch up are the real obstacle when you meet a slow moving vehicle on the roads.
If any law needs to be passed its one that tells car drivers that tractor drivers are more important than they are.
I see that your profile says you live in London.The real problem is the car drivers who both won't overtake and more crucially, the modern selfish attitude of leaving no space for others to work their way through.
Frankly they are the problem. Selfish little English s
ts who all bunch up are the real obstacle when you meet a slow moving vehicle on the roads. If any law needs to be passed its one that tells car drivers that tractor drivers are more important than they are.
Even if I didn't have a home in the country, like many Londoners we still have family out in the country and we also drive out to it on regular basis.
I live and work in Shropshire...full-time.
My daily drive is along the A5, a major national trunk road. Policed by West Mercia Police...and I think they do actually know what they're talking about.
This stretch of National Trunk-road also happens to be the only place where, for example, trucks driving from as far as Dover and going on, all the way, as far as Holyhead (a major route) are suddenly reduced to single lane traffic. At this point, for the most part, during busy periods, any attempts at over-taking would be tantamount to suicide or attempted homocide...or both.
The stretch runs from Nesscliffe (north of Shrewsbury) all the way up to Oswestry.
Yet knowing this (and they do!), "farmers" (see definition below) think it is acceptable to block the whole of this traffic, in both directions, at 8.00am with their tractors moving at 25 mph, on a National Speed Limit Trunk-road?
The definition of "farmers" is important because these aren't some lovely, old, shambling, country-bumbkins with all the time in the world and a stick of straw hanging out of the corner of their mouths. What lies behind these are often massive, multi-million pound set-ups, owned by individuals, supplying (as a local example) Walker's Crisps with 3/4 of their total potato requirements!
The 17 year old lad behind the wheel, holding everyone up isn't there by choice. He's there because he's been told to drive along that stretch at that time, come what may, for the purely economic expedition of his owner....and sod everyone else who needs to use the road.
That's what "framers" do...and all they understand i.e POUNDS, SHILLINGS and PENCE. They don't give a toss about anyone else.
That 17 year lad, driving that tractor to deliver potatoes for more Walker's Crisps, is more important than everyone else's job on that road at that time? Do me a favour.
E.G I'm a Consultant Surgeon...and lots/most of other people on that road will also have jobs more important than crips.
"Farmers are important because they feed us?" Do me a favour. Look next time you're in a supermarket (in London) where your food actually comes from. Your Green Beans? They come from Zimbabwe and Kenya, grown on dwarf plants, low enough for kids orphaned by AIDS to pick ETC ETC ETC.
The farmers in this country aren't more "important" than the rest of us...they just think they are.
I say: "Good luck to West Mercia Police!"
I hope they stick the boot in !
bristolracer said:
Some of those modern tractors go faster than some car drivers do
a fastrac or similar pulling a braked trailer can legally do 40mph IIRC which puts them on a part with the 40 everywhere dawdlers outside of 30s ... fastracs are thereason that the truckies b
h aobut farmers becasue they think that they are missing work becasue farmers can do it themselves rather than being held back by the 20 mph tractor rules for traditional tractors.derin100 said:
DonkeyApple said:
derin100 said:
DonkeyApple said:
I've never had an issue with tractors. Firstly, the drivers do a more important job than the irate coat hanger vendor stuck behind. Secondly, they always seem to pull over when they can if the queue behind is considerable.
The real problem is the car drivers who both won't overtake and more crucially, the modern selfish attitude of leaving no space for others to work their way through.
Frankly they are the problem. Selfish little English sts who all bunch up are the real obstacle when you meet a slow moving vehicle on the roads.
If any law needs to be passed its one that tells car drivers that tractor drivers are more important than they are.
I see that your profile says you live in London.The real problem is the car drivers who both won't overtake and more crucially, the modern selfish attitude of leaving no space for others to work their way through.
Frankly they are the problem. Selfish little English s
ts who all bunch up are the real obstacle when you meet a slow moving vehicle on the roads. If any law needs to be passed its one that tells car drivers that tractor drivers are more important than they are.
Even if I didn't have a home in the country, like many Londoners we still have family out in the country and we also drive out to it on regular basis.
I live and work in Shropshire...full-time.
My daily drive is along the A5, a major national trunk road. Policed by West Mercia Police...and I think they do actually know what they're talking about.
This stretch of National Trunk-road also happens to be the only place where, for example, trucks driving from as far as Dover and going on, all the way, as far as Holyhead (a major route) are suddenly reduced to single lane traffic. At this point, for the most part, during busy periods, any attempts at over-taking would be tantamount to suicide or attempted homocide...or both.
The stretch runs from Nesscliffe (north of Shrewsbury) all the way up to Oswestry.
Yet knowing this (and they do!), "farmers" (see definition below) think it is acceptable to block the whole of this traffic, in both directions, at 8.00am with their tractors moving at 25 mph, on a National Speed Limit Trunk-road?
The definition of "farmers" is important because these aren't some lovely, old, shambling, country-bumbkins with all the time in the world and a stick of straw hanging out of the corner of their mouths. What lies behind these are often massive, multi-million pound set-ups, owned by individuals, supplying (as a local example) Walker's Crisps with 3/4 of their total potato requirements!
The 17 year old lad behind the wheel, holding everyone up isn't there by choice. He's there because he's been told to drive along that stretch at that time, come what may, for the purely economic expedition of his owner....and sod everyone else who needs to use the road.
That's what "framers" do...and all they understand i.e POUNDS, SHILLINGS and PENCE. They don't give a toss about anyone else.
That 17 year lad, driving that tractor to deliver potatoes for more Walker's Crisps, is more important than everyone else's job on that road at that time? Do me a favour.
E.G I'm a Consultant Surgeon...and lots/most of other people on that road will also have jobs more important than crips.
"Farmers are important because they feed us?" Do me a favour. Look next time you're in a supermarket (in London) where your food actually comes from. Your Green Beans? They come from Zimbabwe and Kenya, grown on dwarf plants, low enough for kids orphaned by AIDS to pick ETC ETC ETC.
The farmers in this country aren't more "important" than the rest of us...they just think they are.
I say: "Good luck to West Mercia Police!"
I hope they stick the boot in !
So, yours is clearly one of the most important occupations one could have, so which of the lesser ones do you think we should ditch? Bin men? Their lorries are slow and keep stopping and we could all take rubbish to the dump ourselves. Cleaners? They're quite insignificant, we don't really need cleanliness, do we?
Or, maybe we should all accept that we're part of a society and that almost all jobs touch us favourably in one way or another?
If they actually start dishing out fines for this, then they'll have to fine a few other types of road users too (and by the way I am not advocating that). It's not just tractors that are terribly slow, causing major queues.
The A429 between Cirencester and Stratford is absolutely terrible at all times but 10pm on a Sunday night.
The A429 between Cirencester and Stratford is absolutely terrible at all times but 10pm on a Sunday night.
derin100 said:
DonkeyApple said:
derin100 said:
DonkeyApple said:
I've never had an issue with tractors. Firstly, the drivers do a more important job than the irate coat hanger vendor stuck behind. Secondly, they always seem to pull over when they can if the queue behind is considerable.
The real problem is the car drivers who both won't overtake and more crucially, the modern selfish attitude of leaving no space for others to work their way through.
Frankly they are the problem. Selfish little English sts who all bunch up are the real obstacle when you meet a slow moving vehicle on the roads.
If any law needs to be passed its one that tells car drivers that tractor drivers are more important than they are.
I see that your profile says you live in London.The real problem is the car drivers who both won't overtake and more crucially, the modern selfish attitude of leaving no space for others to work their way through.
Frankly they are the problem. Selfish little English s
ts who all bunch up are the real obstacle when you meet a slow moving vehicle on the roads. If any law needs to be passed its one that tells car drivers that tractor drivers are more important than they are.
Even if I didn't have a home in the country, like many Londoners we still have family out in the country and we also drive out to it on regular basis.
I live and work in Shropshire...full-time.
My daily drive is along the A5, a major national trunk road. Policed by West Mercia Police...and I think they do actually know what they're talking about.
This stretch of National Trunk-road also happens to be the only place where, for example, trucks driving from as far as Dover and going on, all the way, as far as Holyhead (a major route) are suddenly reduced to single lane traffic. At this point, for the most part, during busy periods, any attempts at over-taking would be tantamount to suicide or attempted homocide...or both.
The stretch runs from Nesscliffe (north of Shrewsbury) all the way up to Oswestry.
Yet knowing this (and they do!), "farmers" (see definition below) think it is acceptable to block the whole of this traffic, in both directions, at 8.00am with their tractors moving at 25 mph, on a National Speed Limit Trunk-road?
The definition of "farmers" is important because these aren't some lovely, old, shambling, country-bumbkins with all the time in the world and a stick of straw hanging out of the corner of their mouths. What lies behind these are often massive, multi-million pound set-ups, owned by individuals, supplying (as a local example) Walker's Crisps with 3/4 of their total potato requirements!
The 17 year old lad behind the wheel, holding everyone up isn't there by choice. He's there because he's been told to drive along that stretch at that time, come what may, for the purely economic expedition of his owner....and sod everyone else who needs to use the road.
That's what "framers" do...and all they understand i.e POUNDS, SHILLINGS and PENCE. They don't give a toss about anyone else.
That 17 year lad, driving that tractor to deliver potatoes for more Walker's Crisps, is more important than everyone else's job on that road at that time? Do me a favour.
E.G I'm a Consultant Surgeon...and lots/most of other people on that road will also have jobs more important than crips.
"Farmers are important because they feed us?" Do me a favour. Look next time you're in a supermarket (in London) where your food actually comes from. Your Green Beans? They come from Zimbabwe and Kenya, grown on dwarf plants, low enough for kids orphaned by AIDS to pick ETC ETC ETC.
The farmers in this country aren't more "important" than the rest of us...they just think they are.
I say: "Good luck to West Mercia Police!"
I hope they stick the boot in !
It's a funny old world. Not quite sure what AIDs orphans has to do with it. Note to self, don't require surgery when visiting the cousins.
165gt said:
derin100 said:
DonkeyApple said:
derin100 said:
DonkeyApple said:
I've never had an issue with tractors. Firstly, the drivers do a more important job than the irate coat hanger vendor stuck behind. Secondly, they always seem to pull over when they can if the queue behind is considerable.
The real problem is the car drivers who both won't overtake and more crucially, the modern selfish attitude of leaving no space for others to work their way through.
Frankly they are the problem. Selfish little English sts who all bunch up are the real obstacle when you meet a slow moving vehicle on the roads.
If any law needs to be passed its one that tells car drivers that tractor drivers are more important than they are.
I see that your profile says you live in London.The real problem is the car drivers who both won't overtake and more crucially, the modern selfish attitude of leaving no space for others to work their way through.
Frankly they are the problem. Selfish little English s
ts who all bunch up are the real obstacle when you meet a slow moving vehicle on the roads. If any law needs to be passed its one that tells car drivers that tractor drivers are more important than they are.
Even if I didn't have a home in the country, like many Londoners we still have family out in the country and we also drive out to it on regular basis.
I live and work in Shropshire...full-time.
My daily drive is along the A5, a major national trunk road. Policed by West Mercia Police...and I think they do actually know what they're talking about.
This stretch of National Trunk-road also happens to be the only place where, for example, trucks driving from as far as Dover and going on, all the way, as far as Holyhead (a major route) are suddenly reduced to single lane traffic. At this point, for the most part, during busy periods, any attempts at over-taking would be tantamount to suicide or attempted homocide...or both.
The stretch runs from Nesscliffe (north of Shrewsbury) all the way up to Oswestry.
Yet knowing this (and they do!), "farmers" (see definition below) think it is acceptable to block the whole of this traffic, in both directions, at 8.00am with their tractors moving at 25 mph, on a National Speed Limit Trunk-road?
The definition of "farmers" is important because these aren't some lovely, old, shambling, country-bumbkins with all the time in the world and a stick of straw hanging out of the corner of their mouths. What lies behind these are often massive, multi-million pound set-ups, owned by individuals, supplying (as a local example) Walker's Crisps with 3/4 of their total potato requirements!
The 17 year old lad behind the wheel, holding everyone up isn't there by choice. He's there because he's been told to drive along that stretch at that time, come what may, for the purely economic expedition of his owner....and sod everyone else who needs to use the road.
That's what "framers" do...and all they understand i.e POUNDS, SHILLINGS and PENCE. They don't give a toss about anyone else.
That 17 year lad, driving that tractor to deliver potatoes for more Walker's Crisps, is more important than everyone else's job on that road at that time? Do me a favour.
E.G I'm a Consultant Surgeon...and lots/most of other people on that road will also have jobs more important than crips.
"Farmers are important because they feed us?" Do me a favour. Look next time you're in a supermarket (in London) where your food actually comes from. Your Green Beans? They come from Zimbabwe and Kenya, grown on dwarf plants, low enough for kids orphaned by AIDS to pick ETC ETC ETC.
The farmers in this country aren't more "important" than the rest of us...they just think they are.
I say: "Good luck to West Mercia Police!"
I hope they stick the boot in !
So, yours is clearly one of the most important occupations one could have, so which of the lesser ones do you think we should ditch? Bin men? Their lorries are slow and keep stopping and we could all take rubbish to the dump ourselves. Cleaners? They're quite insignificant, we don't really need cleanliness, do we?
Or, maybe we should all accept that we're part of a society and that almost all jobs touch us favourably in one way or another?
But I think you'd accept it's more important (and probably everyone else on the A5 at that time) than getting in a delivery of yet more Walker's Crisps...for the profit of the "farmer" and Walker's Crisps?
"Which of the lesser ones should we ditch?" See above. I'd put cleaners and cleaniless way above crisps. And actually...every other job as well.
Crisps are clearly part of your indispensable society and precious to your well-being.
Seems West Mercia Police disagree with you.
FWIW i don't read any self importance in the "i'm a consultant surgeon" line, i read that as a contrast being illustrated between a farming conglomerate's bottom line & everyone else.
T'internet. It takes all types. But it takes a pretty special kind of tt to twist what was said. IMNSHO!
T'internet. It takes all types. But it takes a pretty special kind of t
t to twist what was said. IMNSHO!Mr2Mike said:
Dbest92 said:
dithering emits are a different matter.
Combine a shed dragging grockle (I'm just too far east to use the word emit ) with a bunch of car drivers who are either too scared or completely incapable of overtaking and you have my personal definition of hell.Edited by V8forweekends on Monday 21st July 12:46
derin100 said:
No...not at all.
But I think you'd accept it's more important (and probably everyone else on the A5 at that time) than getting in a delivery of yet more Walker's Crisps...for the profit of the "farmer" and Walker's Crisps?
"Which of the lesser ones should we ditch?" See above. I'd put cleaners and cleaniless way above crisps. And actually...every other job as well.
Crisps are clearly part of your indispensable society and precious to your well-being.
Seems West Mercia Police disagree with you.
Those potatoes are being taken back to HQ to be cleaned, graded and put into store. They go to Walkers in a bulker behind an artic. But I think you'd accept it's more important (and probably everyone else on the A5 at that time) than getting in a delivery of yet more Walker's Crisps...for the profit of the "farmer" and Walker's Crisps?
"Which of the lesser ones should we ditch?" See above. I'd put cleaners and cleaniless way above crisps. And actually...every other job as well.
Crisps are clearly part of your indispensable society and precious to your well-being.
Seems West Mercia Police disagree with you.
Like most operations on the farm it is very time sensitive. When the crop is ready and the conditions are right you have to go for it.
They are entitled to use the roads so they do and as a private company they pay tax if they make any money which pays for things like the NHS, which ultimately pays your wages. So best not be too upset about private companies trying to make a few quid.
If you don't like driving on rural roads with rural traffic on them you could A) move closer to work or B) get a job in a city and live there.
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