RE: BMW M235i Performance: PH Blog
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That's a moronicly stupid comment. We all have different circumstances. Sometimes running or even having space for 2, 3 or 4 specialist cars is not that practical so 1 car has to do it all, however badly. As for track driving, the main thing is to have fun, irrespective of pace and car. If you're that bothered about what OTHER people do on track and with what, you might be ready for proper track use, ie racing. In the meantime, a little tolerance would help.
DJRC said:
What? I really wasnt going to comment but there is just too much moronic stupidity not to.
Why would you buy a 40k 4 seat family orientated coupe to "have fun" in? You wouldnt. You would buy a 2 seater of some sort.
This is a fast junior GT to traverse motorways, dual carriageways and long distance A roads.
Its designed to go nowhere near a bloody track or moron chav hooligans.
The stripes ARE the "fun" aspect of the car, its a very Bavarian sense of humour.
Why would you buy a 40k 4 seat family orientated coupe to "have fun" in? You wouldnt. You would buy a 2 seater of some sort.
This is a fast junior GT to traverse motorways, dual carriageways and long distance A roads.
Its designed to go nowhere near a bloody track or moron chav hooligans.
The stripes ARE the "fun" aspect of the car, its a very Bavarian sense of humour.
DJRC said:
Debaser said:
This looks like a great car to have fun in!
What? I really wasnt going to comment but there is just too much moronic stupidity not to.Why would you buy a 40k 4 seat family orientated coupe to "have fun" in? You wouldnt. You would buy a 2 seater of some sort.
This is a fast junior GT to traverse motorways, dual carriageways and long distance A roads.
Its designed to go nowhere near a bloody track or moron chav hooligans.
The stripes ARE the "fun" aspect of the car, its a very Bavarian sense of humour.
Captainawesome said:
chungasarnies said:
Really quite like this. Used E90 M3 or one of these would be an interesting, but completely unrealistic comparison I suspect.
Evo magazine did a feature comparing those exact two cars last month.Verdict?
The M3 does a better job of being a new car than the M235i does of being an M car.
The 235i did almost 50% better mpg on test
.. .,
DJRC said:
Debaser said:
This looks like a great car to have fun in!
What? I really wasnt going to comment but there is just too much moronic stupidity not to.Why would you buy a 40k 4 seat family orientated coupe to "have fun" in? You wouldnt. You would buy a 2 seater of some sort.
This is a fast junior GT to traverse motorways, dual carriageways and long distance A roads.
Its designed to go nowhere near a bloody track or moron chav hooligans.
The stripes ARE the "fun" aspect of the car, its a very Bavarian sense of humour.
Debaser said:
DJRC said:
Debaser said:
This looks like a great car to have fun in!
What? I really wasnt going to comment but there is just too much moronic stupidity not to.Why would you buy a 40k 4 seat family orientated coupe to "have fun" in? You wouldnt. You would buy a 2 seater of some sort.
This is a fast junior GT to traverse motorways, dual carriageways and long distance A roads.
Its designed to go nowhere near a bloody track or moron chav hooligans.
The stripes ARE the "fun" aspect of the car, its a very Bavarian sense of humour.
its a very well setup car and would have no problems wazzing around a track, for me thou its like the A45 to comfy and GT and far to insulated from driving feedback far too much a console game experience
PowerslideSWE said:
It can't be that cramped in the back of a 2 series? A friend of mine had a coupe 1-series a while back and i could easilly fit in the back of that without drama or messing up the hair on the headliner, and I'm 1.75 (5'10"ish)
I don't know what people are expecting. The 2 series coupe is bigger in every dimension than an E30, and that seated 5.DJRC said:
Debaser said:
This looks like a great car to have fun in!
What? I really wasnt going to comment but there is just too much moronic stupidity not to.Why would you buy a 40k 4 seat family orientated coupe to "have fun" in? You wouldnt. You would buy a 2 seater of some sort.
Yes nobody would ever buy a car to have fun in with anything other than 2 seats.What a stupid thing to say.
EricE said:
Dave Hedgehog said:
my friend has a 135 and drove the 235i before me and said its a totally different animal far less floppy suspension far better glued to the road, i have not driver the 135 so can not confirm this
he was actually peeved that he had bought the 135 and will probable trade into the 235 now
Wow, I thought the cars are nearly identical in terms of suspension geometry, damping, etc. he was actually peeved that he had bought the 135 and will probable trade into the 235 now
On my two brief drives of both the M235 does appear to have a better chassis.
Electric steering is still awful though.
aeropilot said:
The M235 being a coupe has a much stiifer bodyshell, which makes a big difference compared to the hatch M135.
Do you have a source or some numbers to verify that statement? The PR only mentions higher torsional rigidity compared to the old 1 series Coupe.I don’t see why a coupe with folding rear seats should have a significantly stiffer chassis than a 3 door hatchback, let alone a difference that would be noticeable when driving a car on public roads.
EricE said:
aeropilot said:
The M235 being a coupe has a much stiifer bodyshell, which makes a big difference compared to the hatch M135.
Do you have a source or some numbers to verify that statement? The PR only mentions higher torsional rigidity compared to the old 1 series Coupe.EricE said:
I don’t see why a coupe with folding rear seats should have a significantly stiffer chassis than a 3 door hatchback, let alone a difference that would be noticeable when driving a car on public roads.
You would see it if you were able to see the coloured FE model of the shell design. Elaborate monocoque design is so sophisticated that windshield and rear window glass make an important contribution to the designed structural strength of the shell, so a hatch unibody design is still compromised by cutting a big hole across the rear end compared to a 2dr/4dr coupe/saloon.And yes it's still noticable if driven back to back on public roads. Sure it's not as noticable as the difference between a coupe and vert with the roof removed, but it is noticable.
aeropilot said:
Elaborate monocoque design is so sophisticated that windshield and rear window glass make an important contribution to the designed structural strength of the shell, so a hatch unibody design is still compromised by cutting a big hole across the rear end compared to a 2dr/4dr coupe/saloon.
Isn’t a hatchback essentially the same thing as a short estate?BMW E46 Estate (w/folding seats) - 14,000 Nm/deg
BMW E46 Sedan (w/folding seats) - 13,000 Nm/deg
BMW E46 Coupe (w/folding seats) - 12,500 Nm/deg
aeropilot said:
And yes it's still noticable if driven back to back on public roads. Sure it's not as noticable as the difference between a coupe and vert with the roof removed, but it is noticable.
I still find it very hard to believe that one could notice the difference in torsional rigidity between the M135i and the M235i on a public road when the two don’t even run the same suspension setup.rb5er said:
DJRC said:
Debaser said:
This looks like a great car to have fun in!
What? I really wasnt going to comment but there is just too much moronic stupidity not to.Why would you buy a 40k 4 seat family orientated coupe to "have fun" in? You wouldnt. You would buy a 2 seater of some sort.
Yes nobody would ever buy a car to have fun in with anything other than 2 seats.What a stupid thing to say.
anonymous said:
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Totally true. The law of diminishing returns has hit hard way below the level of torsional rigidity of a M135i. You could add another 20,000 nm of tor rigidity it would make no more difference even when fully loaded at 10/10ths of lat grip, not that it's even possible on the open road. In other words, stiff is stiff. Porsche did the same marketing trick with the Cayman/Boxster. They sell the Boxster as being super torsionnaly stiff and suddenly they make it twice as stiff again, allowing your average punter to get a serious hard on asa he sees "200%" in the brochure.The perceived difference is due to a combination of NVH (they spent vast amounts on that), slightly different set up and marketing induced placebo effect. It's fair game if it helps the consumer justifying another £3,000 for essentially the same car particularly when it's going to be driven at 5/10ths.
DJRC said:
What? I really wasnt going to comment but there is just too much moronic stupidity not to.
Why would you buy a 40k 4 seat family orientated coupe to "have fun" in? You wouldnt. You would buy a 2 seater of some sort.
This is a fast junior GT to traverse motorways, dual carriageways and long distance A roads.
Its designed to go nowhere near a bloody track or moron chav hooligans.
The stripes ARE the "fun" aspect of the car, its a very Bavarian sense of humour.
Why would you buy a 40k 4 seat family orientated coupe to "have fun" in? You wouldnt. You would buy a 2 seater of some sort.
This is a fast junior GT to traverse motorways, dual carriageways and long distance A roads.
Its designed to go nowhere near a bloody track or moron chav hooligans.
The stripes ARE the "fun" aspect of the car, its a very Bavarian sense of humour.
you have some very strange points of view.Do 2 seaters have a monopoly on fun?
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