RE: New Smarts for all!

[anonymous-user]

They both look pretty ugly! this looks way better than the Fourfour

[Malachimon]

Very nice, now where's the roadster?

[Escort3500]

Krikkit said:

I'm sure it's very clever and all, but the looks are absolutely awful to my eyes. Give me a Twingo instead!

Neither thanks

[Kolbenkopp]

3795mpower said:

The 4 door makes the Mini Countryman look attractive.

Isn't that a bit harsh?

[stephen300o]

I don't see that as an improvement, the first smart is still the best, a classic, much mimicked.

Also not sure why they bothered making a manual, they'll sell none of those.

Edited by stephen300o on Thursday 17th July 20:28

[Escort Si-130]

Why the fk an awful piece of st like this on PH. Looks so camp. This should be a -10 out of 10. I gave it a straight zero. Friggin ugly as hell.

[ch108]

The front end of both cars look like a Mini Countryman thats been sandwiched between 2 lorries! I was never a fan of the old Smart but it was better looking than this! (Remember the Suzuki Supercarry van when they grafted a bonnet on it?)

[The_Burg]

As many say, looks rubbish. Wonder if the proper gearbox would fit in the older varients?

[Ocellia]

GregK2 said:

Prefer the older versions of both cars (I may be biased, mind). Front end is especially ugly.

I agree. Been tempted by a Forfour for ages-plastic, nippy, etc..
And I like the looks; two tone + all!.
But not this, on first look.

Still, maybe I'll find a nice 1.5 one now (the Brabus is too hard riding.)

[biggerbigben]

Oh dear... They don't look great do they...!

[dxg]

MonkeyMatt said:

They both look pretty ugly! this looks way better than the Fourfour

Now, compare the swage line and the DLP of the above with this:



They're *exactly* the same - from the junction of the wing with the headlamp all the way back to the leading edge of the c-pillar. It looks to my like the only external differences are a fake tridon (or whatever it's called) shell stuck over the c-pillar and extending it back and some different door skins!!


When you turn to the interior, it's even more obvious - everything above the a-pillar base is the same and only the dash shell is changed: all the ergonomics are the same:



vs.




I wonder what the price difference will be...

[robertpaulson]

well it you need a little city car that or the twingo look pretty promising, uglyish but light and rwd which has to be a step forward, heres hoping for a little renaultsport banger in the future. surely better than an abarth 500?

[chrisjpartridge]

Just thank god they've binned the old gearbox!

[Kawasicki]

I like them, though some of the details are a little overdone on the smart and I prefer the Renault.

I've driven the first generation smart a lot, and I actually thought it was fun.

[slarnge]

fUNKY

[AlexKing]

fk me that's gopping.

[stephen300o]

Escort Si-130 said:

Why the fk an awful piece of st like this on PH. Looks so camp. This should be a -10 out of 10. I gave it a straight zero. Friggin ugly as hell.

It is here because there are many different things folks want from a car. 'Camp'? that is not necessarily a negative thing is it.

[Clivey]

ajprice said:

ChocolateFrog said:

I might be wrong but I think they've stated the engine bay is too small to get anything worthy of a RS badge in there

There's talk of a 110bhp version of the Renault 900cc turbo engine for the Brabus/RenaultSport versions.

That'd be nice! Sometimes, the most fun you can have is in a small car with a willing engine...hopefully it'll be nice and revvy.

[Paul O]

dxg said:

Now, compare the swage line and the DLP of the above with this:



They're *exactly* the same - from the junction of the wing with the headlamp all the way back to the leading edge of the c-pillar. It looks to my like the only external differences are a fake tridon (or whatever it's called) shell stuck over the c-pillar and extending it back and some different door skins!!


When you turn to the interior, it's even more obvious - everything above the a-pillar base is the same and only the dash shell is changed: all the ergonomics are the same:



vs.




I wonder what the price difference will be...

dxg said:

Now, compare the swage line and the DLP of the above with this:



They're *exactly* the same - from the junction of the wing with the headlamp all the way back to the leading edge of the c-pillar. It looks to my like the only external differences are a fake tridon (or whatever it's called) shell stuck over the c-pillar and extending it back and some different door skins!!


When you turn to the interior, it's even more obvious - everything above the a-pillar base is the same and only the dash shell is changed: all the ergonomics are the same:



vs.




I wonder what the price difference will be...

That Renault wins hands down in appearance, the Smart looks pretty ghastly to my eye.

A Renault better than a Mercedes, who'd have thought that would ever happen....

[danp]

One thing I haven't seen mentioned for these or the twingo is weight.

Came across a crash test of the new for2 and an S class, so what do you think it weighed?

1124kg! Previous one appears to be about 800kg...

http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/smart/fortwo/87924/sm...