RE: New Smarts for all!
Discussion
danp said:
Came across a crash test of the new for2 and an S class, so what do you think it weighed?
1124kg! Previous one appears to be about 800kg...
Regarding the Twingo's weight: the German brochure claims, while stating values are provisional, 939kg for the 70 bhp car and 980kg for the 90 bhp version. EU type measurement, so 75kg load + 90 % of a tank, i.e. roughly 100kg included. Let's hope that is true, ca. 900kg ready to run for the 90 bhp car (which has a lot more standard kit such as A/C) is not bad at all IMO. 1124kg! Previous one appears to be about 800kg...
Why is the smart 42 so heavy? The 1124kg is the weight as measured when they crash tested the car. Looks like they installed two normal male dummies, 78kg each. The normed procedure (not sure if Mercedes stick to that with in house tests, but likely) also includes a tank filled to 90%, guess that adds another 20kg.
So it is 1124 minus 176kg of load, ie. 948kg. Sounds about right if this had the big engine and a bit of equipment. Heavier than the previous model, which is disappointing but no real wonder since they put silly big wheels on it and made it a good bit wider.
Real life weighing of 451 smarts show them starting at around 880kg, so that makes this specimen of the new one 70kg heavier.
Edited by Kolbenkopp on Saturday 19th July 21:16
Kolbenkopp said:
Regarding the Twingo's weight: the German brochure claims, while stating values are provisional, 939kg for the 70 bhp car and 980kg for the 90 bhp version. EU type measurement, so 75kg load + 90 % of a tank, i.e. roughly 100kg included. Let's hope that is true, ca. 900kg ready to run for the 90 bhp car.
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Real life weighing of 451 smarts show them starting at around 880kg, so that makes this specimen of the new one 70kg heavier.
Thx, 1124kg did sound suspect! Even so, seems odd that twingo is a good chunk less than the 4/2? Wonder what the 4/4 weighs then....
Real life weighing of 451 smarts show them starting at around 880kg, so that makes this specimen of the new one 70kg heavier.
Edited by danp on Saturday 19th July 23:36
danp said:
Even so, seems odd that twingo is a good chunk less than the 4/2? Wonder what the 4/4 weighs then..
Yup. I really hope this is down to Merc putting more stuff in it. Possibly they also wanted to use the heaviest 4/2 they could find, to keep the weight difference to the S-Class smaller? Not sure. The Twingo looks pretty basic in some areas (rear door handles, no winding window rear, no glove box standard etc.). Good thing IMO. Of course they could also use dodgy scales. Really hope not. 110 - 120 PS vs. 900kg sounds about right for if/when they release an RS.
stephen300o said:
That was always a grey area. Technically you could, but folks say you shouldn't.
And in practice you almost never really need to. Especially as the new one is (well, almost 
) as wide as long, plus has an even better turning circle. Any spot roughly 9ft long should do. mike-r said:
Is it just me who's wondering about the electric version? I personally don't see the point in having an ugly small car unless it's electric.
There are two or three current shape ones around here but while I agree that it seems obvious I think we are not at the point where an EV set up can better ICE at this level. I think it can at the premium end but not yet down here. Too much of a premium just to be quieter and a little cheaper to run. dxg said:
MonkeyMatt said:
They both look pretty ugly! this looks way better than the Fourfour
Now, compare the swage line and the DLP of the above with this:
They're *exactly* the same - from the junction of the wing with the headlamp all the way back to the leading edge of the c-pillar. It looks to my like the only external differences are a fake tridon (or whatever it's called) shell stuck over the c-pillar and extending it back and some different door skins!!
When you turn to the interior, it's even more obvious - everything above the a-pillar base is the same and only the dash shell is changed: all the ergonomics are the same:
vs.
I wonder what the price difference will be...
I'm sure the Smart will cost more but I cannot see the point of it when compared to the Twingo.
dukebox9reg said:
What and the sister Renault is putting it in the boot for s
ts and giggles.
Its also obvious you didn't read the article properly,
'The first line of Smart's spiel on the new chassis says it has been 'configured for gently understeering handling characteristics' so anyone wary of some gung-ho rear-engined handling can rest easy.'
Then why have the bump at all?, the original smart was the 'right' size, why the bloat.ts and giggles.Its also obvious you didn't read the article properly,
'The first line of Smart's spiel on the new chassis says it has been 'configured for gently understeering handling characteristics' so anyone wary of some gung-ho rear-engined handling can rest easy.'
Edited by dukebox9reg on Thursday 17th July 15:07
Twingo RS spy shot:
http://www.motorauthority.com/news/1016931_2015-re...
Doubt it will have as much power as they claim. Would be even better though.
http://www.motorauthority.com/news/1016931_2015-re...
Doubt it will have as much power as they claim. Would be even better though
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