Hyundai or Kia. What`s the catch.
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Bill said:
I don't think it means what you think it means. 
I know exactly what it means - default 'safe' choice when obtaining something to be used for utility purposes. Or are you telling me that all those 118d's get tracked every weekend?Edit - I originally used the word 'buying' instead of obtaining, but in these days of 1st registered keeper never actually owning cars I figured that was more appropriate.
Edited by r11co on Friday 18th July 10:14
r11co said:
I know exactly what it means - default 'safe' choice when obtaining something to be used for utility purposes. Or are you telling me that all those 118d's get tracked every weekend?
Edit - I originally used the word 'buying' instead of obtaining, but in these days of 1st registered keeper never actually owning cars I figured that was more appropriate.
Edit - I originally used the word 'buying' instead of obtaining, but in these days of 1st registered keeper never actually owning cars I figured that was more appropriate.
Edited by r11co on Friday 18th July 10:14
It's bog standard, no frills motoring that does want it says on the tin. (IMO )My brother had a Cee'd 1.6TD, probably an ex-hire or pre-reg, but low mileage & a year old. He put 60,000 on it in about 3 years, almost all motorway miles.
Never missed a beat in the entire time. Complete white goods, but if all you want to do is get to/from work in comfort with a decent range of toys (had everything you'd expect, including USB/iPod connection for the radio) & at super low cost (60mpg IIRC, had stop/start as well) then they're perfect. Can't remember him complaining about servicing costs, all seemed fine.
On the other side, his wife has a Hyundai 4x4 (Santa Fe?), again bought second hand. Few issues with a broken spring & availability of parts when they got it, but a lot of that could be down to a useless dealer. Apart from that it's been fine.
Basically, go for it if you're looking for a shopping trolley & it's got a good few years left on the warranty.
Never missed a beat in the entire time. Complete white goods, but if all you want to do is get to/from work in comfort with a decent range of toys (had everything you'd expect, including USB/iPod connection for the radio) & at super low cost (60mpg IIRC, had stop/start as well) then they're perfect. Can't remember him complaining about servicing costs, all seemed fine.
On the other side, his wife has a Hyundai 4x4 (Santa Fe?), again bought second hand. Few issues with a broken spring & availability of parts when they got it, but a lot of that could be down to a useless dealer. Apart from that it's been fine.
Basically, go for it if you're looking for a shopping trolley & it's got a good few years left on the warranty.
I seriously considered an i30 after my Focus but didn't like the fact they only offer a 1.4 petrol. The Cee'd was also looked at but reviews say it's more sporty and therefore harder riding and more noisy. I coudn't fault the interiors on either of them, the Cee'd was the more stylish of the two and was very nice indeed. The Kia Optima and Hyundai Genesis in particular are lovely things too.
alpha channel said:
I've seen a couple of Kia Optima's knocking around my way and I have to say they are a good looking car and I think the Hyundai i40 in both saloon and estate guises are damned good looking (pity about the engine choices though). I just wish that both companies would sell their coupes over here, both damned good looking cars.
Well, the engine options here are a 2.4 petrol with 200bhp or a 2.0 turbo petrol with 274bhp. Does that float your boat more? I don't think there is a manual transmission option on the larger cars though. Yes, the Hyundai Genesis Coupe is very fast, good-looking, RWD and fairly cheap. Didn't realise Kia made a coupe yet.Debaser said:
It's a shame they don't sell this in the UK.
SO SO true, in my opinion the best thing to come from any Korean manufacture!!In all fairness when you look at reliability surveys and owners views the Korean stuff really should be shedding it's cheap & cheerful reputation and be accepted as a solid mainstream choice.
On a separate note relating to another comment on this topic, having seen the Scirocco to 118d thread there really are people who think the 118d would make an exciting track car and should never ever be described as a white good -even when 99% of them are white
r11co said:
I know exactly what it means - default 'safe' choice when obtaining something to be used for utility purposes. Or are you telling me that all those 118d's get tracked every weekend?
Edit - I originally used the word 'buying' instead of obtaining, but in these days of 1st registered keeper never actually owning cars I figured that was more appropriate.
I see your point. A 118d MSport or A3 TDI S-line may be the "safe" default choice (I would add the Golf TDI to that list too) but definitely not white goods.Edit - I originally used the word 'buying' instead of obtaining, but in these days of 1st registered keeper never actually owning cars I figured that was more appropriate.
Edited by r11co on Friday 18th July 10:14
When you buy a "white good", like a fridge, your use it until it breaks and then throw it away and get another one and usually, you're not too bothered because it didn't cost too much in the first place.
Likewise, if you need an economical 5 door hatchback with air conditioning and cruise control (that's pretty much my brief), I'm not going to spend 25-30k on an Audi S-line or BMW M-Sport when a Kia Ce'ed/Hyundai i30 will do the same job for roughly half the price. I would wager that a lot of people that buy a Kia or Hyundai aren't too bothered about the image and driving experience and will either keep the car until it breaks or until the (very long) warranty expires and then trade it in for another one. The average Audi/BMW buyer will value image and having the "latest model" more, so will probably change their car after 3 years, so the shorter warranty isn't such an issue. I'm generalising here but I think most of the time this is true. If any BMW/Audi is a "white good" it would be the base model with the same engine and steel wheels but I can't help thinking that if you buy an Audi or BMW over a cheaper product that essentially does the same job, you have to be a little bit bothered about image or perhaps the driving experience (in the case of the BMW).
Yes, you probably won't see many 118ds on track days but neither will you see many Volvo estates or Discoverys and they're hardly "white goods".
To me, a "white goods" car, is the cheapest car that fulfils your basic criteria (accepting that you're not going to buy a car that you hate), so you might buy the 2nd or 3rd cheapest!
Hyundai and Kia fulfill this criteria in a lot of market segments (but not exclusively), hence their reputation as "white goods" products.
Other "white goods" cars that I can think of?
mk1 Ford Ka
old-shape Fiat Panda
Dacia Duster (if you need 4x4)
Citroen Picasso (and Citroens in general in the 90s/early 2000s).
I probably didn't buy the Kia for my wife because I felt it was a bit "white goods" and I fancied something a bit nicer (even though it ticked all the boxes and more). Some might say a Toyota Corolla, is pretty "white goods" but not a Sport model with fancy alloy wheels IMHO!
$38k + tax in the US, so maybe £27k equivalent with a 3.8 litre, 330 hp V6 and RWD (or optional AWD).
Maybe the styling's a bit derivative (half BMW 7 Series, half Audi A7?) but it's apparently also a decent steer.
Depreciation is still epic but the old Genesis was one of my favourite cars I've driven.
white_goodman said:
To me, a "white goods" car, is the cheapest car that fulfils your basic criteria (accepting that you're not going to buy a car that you hate), so you might buy the 2nd or 3rd cheapest!
Hyundai and Kia fulfill this criteria in a lot of market segments (but not exclusively), hence their reputation as "white goods" products.
Except, as already mentioned by others, Kia and Hyundai are no longer playing at the bottom end of the market. Their cars aren't 'cheap' any more, either in terms of money or build quality.Hyundai and Kia fulfill this criteria in a lot of market segments (but not exclusively), hence their reputation as "white goods" products.
The base spec BMWs and Audis certainly qualify for white goods IMO. They may be the Bosch or AEG of the washing machine world, but they are still completely forgettable and common as dirt transportation devices.
Mr2Mike said:
Except, as already mentioned by others, Kia and Hyundai are no longer playing at the bottom end of the market. Their cars aren't 'cheap' any more, either in terms of money or build quality.
The base spec BMWs and Audis certainly qualify for white goods IMO. They may be the Bosch or AEG of the washing machine world, but they are still completely forgettable and common as dirt transportation devices.
But still more expensive than a Hyundai or Kia? Out of interest, who does make the cheapest white goods cars now? Here (Canada) the pecking order from cheapest to most expensive is probably:The base spec BMWs and Audis certainly qualify for white goods IMO. They may be the Bosch or AEG of the washing machine world, but they are still completely forgettable and common as dirt transportation devices.
Kia
Hyundai
Honda/Mazda/Nissan/Toyota (Toyota trucks and SUVs quite expensive though)
Chrysler/Dodge
Ford/GM
VW
Audi/BMW/Mercedes
No Peugeots/Citroens/Renaults sold here!
CYMR0 said:
$38k + tax in the US, so maybe £27k equivalent with a 3.8 litre, 330 hp V6 and RWD (or optional AWD).
Maybe the styling's a bit derivative (half BMW 7 Series, half Audi A7?) but it's apparently also a decent steer.
Depreciation is still epic but the old Genesis was one of my favourite cars I've driven.
The Hyundai Equus. 5.0 V8, RWD, that's a 40000+ pound Hyundai! You actually see more than you expect to here (they look a bit like an S-Class from a distance) and I believe there is a Kia equivalent too! I wonder how many of these they would sell in the UK?
white_goodman said:
Not actually the most expensive Hyundai.
The Hyundai Equus. 5.0 V8, RWD, that's a 40000+ pound Hyundai! You actually see more than you expect to here (they look a bit like an S-Class from a distance) and I believe there is a Kia equivalent too! I wonder how many of these they would sell in the UK?
They would sell none to the general public! In the UK when it comes to high end cars it needs he right badge regardless of how good it is, or isn't The Hyundai Equus. 5.0 V8, RWD, that's a 40000+ pound Hyundai! You actually see more than you expect to here (they look a bit like an S-Class from a distance) and I believe there is a Kia equivalent too! I wonder how many of these they would sell in the UK?
white_goodman said:
Well, the engine options here are a 2.4 petrol with 200bhp or a 2.0 turbo petrol with 274bhp. Does that float your boat more? I don't think there is a manual transmission option on the larger cars though. Yes, the Hyundai Genesis Coupe is very fast, good-looking, RWD and fairly cheap. Didn't realise Kia made a coupe yet.
That'd do me 
(NA 2.4 for me please), better than the 134bhp 1.7 oil burner that is seemingly the only choice in the UK for the Optima, even if they're not married to a manual box. The Kia Forte Koup (to give it it's full god awful name) is a cracking looking car considering the car it is derived from (and has been out and about for a few years now) as is the Genesis.I'm a big fan of the coupe as a car shape (and have spent more than the car is worth rebuilding the engine of my Rover 200 Coupe because there's nothing like it left on the road, I love the old girl) and damn it I'd happily cough up for the Genesis or the Forte :gritted teeth: Koup (god I hate typing that) if only they'd bleedin' sell the things on this side of the pond.
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