Hyundai or Kia. What`s the catch.
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As a BMW driver who lives on the motorway I'd certainly consider one now my lease is up soon. Tax issues really changing things tor me not with real world MPG and lease costs/equipment. Do still admirably love that blue/white propeller badge tho!
I do still get the 'white goods' argument, but appreciate the Koreans have listened and responded very well. Was stuck in a petrol Insignia for a week recently. All pleasant and white good'y, with woeful engine.
Ironically my iPhone auto spell checked 'white' to 's
te'! Honestly!
I do still get the 'white goods' argument, but appreciate the Koreans have listened and responded very well. Was stuck in a petrol Insignia for a week recently. All pleasant and white good'y, with woeful engine.
Ironically my iPhone auto spell checked 'white' to 's
te'! Honestly! Had a Kia Rio as a hire car in California for work last year. It seemed larger than the "supermini" tag suggested it would be, in fact I was wondering if it was a different car to the one sold here.
It was OK, if a bit hard riding - certainly not any worse than any similar sized hire car. It seemed quite a surprisingly spritely performer considering it was a 138 bhp six speed auto (petrol of course). I don't think they offer that engine in the UK.
It was OK, if a bit hard riding - certainly not any worse than any similar sized hire car. It seemed quite a surprisingly spritely performer considering it was a 138 bhp six speed auto (petrol of course). I don't think they offer that engine in the UK.
I have had a Kia Optima from new since September 2012. The car is a decent motorway barge and reasonably well screwed together. It looks nice from the outside and the interior isn't too bad, but you can see where budgetary constraints determined less than "Germanic" quality materials be used. The seats are comfy and the stereo is very loud and of decent sound quality - an old school bass speaker in the immoveable rear parcel shelf no doubt helps.
It is not in any way a "driver's car"; it is a conveyance, nothing more.
I cannot get anywhere near the quotes mpg figures - what a surprise. No doubt partly my fault; I have a heavy right foot.
Following an accident in my (now ex) Caterham the car sat on the drive for five months. When I was fit to drive it started on the first turn of the key - which was a pleasant surprise.
30,000 miles and nearly two years in I have not had to call upon the much-publicised warranty.
The only real gripe I have with the car is the manual gearbox - it is appallingly bad. Was told that the notchiness would go after a thousand miles or so, but it is as bad as ever. Engaging first and second when the car is cold requires brute force. It gets a little easier when the box is warm, but not by much. On the Kia forums there are others with the same problem. A gearbox fluid change seems to make no difference.
The built-in satnav doesn't accept full UK postcodes. This is a software licensing issue that Kia has now sorted, but their response to me was that I needed to pay £170 for an upgrade to fix the issue. As the roll out of the UK post code system was completed in 1974 I was unimpressed that Kia would sell a satnav enabled car in 2012 that couldn't handle it.
In conclusion, in my opinion it is a good looking barge that represents reasonable value for money - but it is not without flaws. I propose to run it for the foreseeable future and have no idea of what the residuals are. Would I buy another? Maybe - but not with that manual gearbox.
It is not in any way a "driver's car"; it is a conveyance, nothing more.
I cannot get anywhere near the quotes mpg figures - what a surprise. No doubt partly my fault; I have a heavy right foot.
Following an accident in my (now ex) Caterham the car sat on the drive for five months. When I was fit to drive it started on the first turn of the key - which was a pleasant surprise.
30,000 miles and nearly two years in I have not had to call upon the much-publicised warranty.
The only real gripe I have with the car is the manual gearbox - it is appallingly bad. Was told that the notchiness would go after a thousand miles or so, but it is as bad as ever. Engaging first and second when the car is cold requires brute force. It gets a little easier when the box is warm, but not by much. On the Kia forums there are others with the same problem. A gearbox fluid change seems to make no difference.
The built-in satnav doesn't accept full UK postcodes. This is a software licensing issue that Kia has now sorted, but their response to me was that I needed to pay £170 for an upgrade to fix the issue. As the roll out of the UK post code system was completed in 1974 I was unimpressed that Kia would sell a satnav enabled car in 2012 that couldn't handle it.
In conclusion, in my opinion it is a good looking barge that represents reasonable value for money - but it is not without flaws. I propose to run it for the foreseeable future and have no idea of what the residuals are. Would I buy another? Maybe - but not with that manual gearbox.
We looked at Hyundai i30 and Kia C'eed when looking for that size car and, it's difficult to put your finger on, but Golf just "feels" so much better.
It helped a lot that at the time VW were doing a special edition of the Golf at a pretty remarkable price, but the i30 and C'eed just felt depressing, where the Golf felt like a quality car.
It helped a lot that at the time VW were doing a special edition of the Golf at a pretty remarkable price, but the i30 and C'eed just felt depressing, where the Golf felt like a quality car.
I think that all three of those cars have since been superseded and the latest Cee'd (no pun intended there) in particular feels like a very high quality car in terms of being very user friendly. The equivalent Golf is down on power and feels like a base model that needs more equipment whereas the similarly equipped Cee'd feels relatively complete.
BarbaricAvatar said:
Blakewater said:
If they really want to be taken seriously and compete with the likes of Ford, Vauxhall and Volkswagen, who offer quite interesting stuff like the Scirocco and Astra GTC, they need to offer something that people who are interested in cars want rather than something people who aren't interested in cars buy with the same cold hearted logic they apply to choosing kitchen appliances.
That's a very old and exhausted cliché. The Kia Optima is a great-looking car and i'd much rather have one over the 'usual suspects'.
As for the Astra and Scirocco mentioned, the (stupidly named) Pro Cee'd outstyles them both:
I can't vouch for Hyundai in the same way though as all the cars of their current range look like Peugeot or Toyota immitators, but Kia definitely are interested in being taken seriously as a decent car manufacturer.
okie592 said:
They don't sell it here because it wouldn't sell because they are so simply tarred with the white goods car, I can't think of any hatch or saloon that isn't build for a purpose or moving people from A to B
I'm not so sure. If it was GT86 money or less, you have a better-looking IMHO, RWD coupe with more power (2.0T has 274bhp and V6 has 350bhp) and a 5 year warranty. Would be a good halo model for the range too.white_goodman said:
I'm not so sure. If it was GT86 money or less, you have a better-looking IMHO, RWD coupe with more power (2.0T has 274bhp and V6 has 350bhp) and a 5 year warranty. Would be a good halo model for the range too.
Those Genesis coupes do look a very attractive proposition in the US, if Hyundai could sell them for the same price in the UK the 2.0T would start at ~£16,000 and the 3.8T £20,000 That would be a serious bargain and spec blows a lot of the competition especially with up to 10 year 100,000 mile warranty!!
https://www.hyundaiusa.com/genesis-coupe/compariso...
I have an I30 110 bhp diesel and its suprisingly spritely - great car for getting you A-B - averaged 60mpg over 15k miles and 8 months. True 70mph on the motorway its doing 2000rpm. Road noise isn't brilliant though.
Brakes are good, seats comfortable although not done more than a 5hr drive yet.
My spec although only 1 up from poverty includes cruise which was a must for me.
My daughter hates the passenger seat as its quite low and when the sun is low, the visors don't do the job.
Pants round bends and skips at the slightest uneven road surface.
Kia 7 year warranty, but limited to 100k (unless you do > 100k in the first 3 years in which case you are covered).
Hyundai is Unlimited for 5 years.
if you do lowish milage - get the Kia if you do high milage get the hyundai. Otherwise they are pretty much the same.
I love the I40 estate I think its one of the finest looking estates out there at the moment
Brakes are good, seats comfortable although not done more than a 5hr drive yet.
My spec although only 1 up from poverty includes cruise which was a must for me.
My daughter hates the passenger seat as its quite low and when the sun is low, the visors don't do the job.
Pants round bends and skips at the slightest uneven road surface.
Kia 7 year warranty, but limited to 100k (unless you do > 100k in the first 3 years in which case you are covered).
Hyundai is Unlimited for 5 years.
if you do lowish milage - get the Kia if you do high milage get the hyundai. Otherwise they are pretty much the same.
I love the I40 estate I think its one of the finest looking estates out there at the moment
Edited by sparkyhx on Monday 21st July 20:46
aka_kerrly said:
Those Genesis coupes do look a very attractive proposition in the US, if Hyundai could sell them for the same price in the UK the 2.0T would start at ~£16,000 and the 3.8T £20,000
The Toyota GT-86 is even cheaper than the Genesis Coupe in the US, yet in it's most basic spec (including 20% VAT) the have to sell it for £24,995 in the UK. I also suspect the CO2 output of the US engines are relatively high, meaning band M road tax and an instant flop.Had an old shape i30 1.6crdi for a year or so had it super chipped to about 140bhp ish, I had it following an audi a3 which broke very often! I can honestly say I prefer the hyundais handling, better dampers and steering, of course interior quality was as good but still I was very impressed! Was a supprinsingly quick car over a B road....in context of course!
Family have a new i40 tourer as the everything car and again it's really pretty nice if a bit floppy in the bends but good engine for what it is (avoid blue drive the the plague!)
So yes hyundais always been impressed buy one!
Family have a new i40 tourer as the everything car and again it's really pretty nice if a bit floppy in the bends but good engine for what it is (avoid blue drive the the plague!)
So yes hyundais always been impressed buy one!
Qwert1e said:
Still white goods IMO, but no longer "avoid at all costs". It wouldn't cause me any distress if I had to drive one of the recent models from either Kia or Hyundai.
Kia Sportage looks a particular bargain.
"white goods" -so basically like virtually every other competitor/class rival.Kia Sportage looks a particular bargain.
sparkyhx said:
entropy said:
Is the warranty still valid even if it's serviced at an indy?
yes - like all carsI work with Hyundai (and Ford) and the only real gripe I have is with some parts availability, example : removed i40 clutch about 3 or 4 weeks ago, replacement on back order, due date August 28th!!
The little i10 is the most reliable of the Hyundai range, but can suffer with old people wearing out the clutches in 5 mins.. No dear, of course they aren't deaf!
A lot of i30s and some other models are beng recalled mainly for a brake switch replacement, but also a headlamp wiring mod, drivers door cable replacement, and the latest some brake pipes between M/C & ABS unit on i30s.
As others have mentioned the i40 tourer is a good looking car, a lot of people wouldn't know any difference if you put a German manfacturer's badge on it.
Kia/Hyundai are the same company so their vehicles do share mechanicals/platforms.
i10/Picanto
i30/Cee'd
ix35/Sportage
and so on...
GVK said:
I work with Hyundai (and Ford) and the only real gripe I have is with some parts availability, example : removed i40 clutch about 3 or 4 weeks ago, replacement on back order, due date August 28th!!
This was the reason why I was warned off buying a Hyundai by my local motor factors when I happened to mention that Hyundai are starting to look like good cars, this was a couple of years ago as well, so it seems that in the parts department things haven't changed much.tali1 said:
Qwert1e said:
Still white goods IMO, but no longer "avoid at all costs". It wouldn't cause me any distress if I had to drive one of the recent models from either Kia or Hyundai.
Kia Sportage looks a particular bargain.
"white goods" -so basically like virtually every other competitor/class rival.Kia Sportage looks a particular bargain.
The variance is in the quality of the plastics, refinement, how it drives, dynamics, warranty, spec - that sort of thing.
You decide whats important to you and pick from there. I would theres only +/- 10% between them now.
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