Freudian slip in Audi Brochure
Discussion
Debaser said:
You'd be amazed how many people only use 60% or 70% of the car's braking capacity when asked to brake as hard as they can.
I would say most drivers fall in that category, which is why manufacturers have been increasingly "overservoing" their cars over the years to compensate and ruin modulation for the rest of us. Audi are the worst incidentally but it's a win win from a marketing POV as people are convinced that a short travel on/off brake pedal means the brakes have superior power "because you hardly need to touch them" or think Porsches' brakes are rubbish because you have to work them harder.Last time I hired a car I asked if it had ABS... they had no idea. I suggested that they should make it an essential bit of info, given out to all, just like diesel/petrol... as it completely changes they way you react when a deer jumps out in front of you. They didn't even know what I was talking about.
I then asked a dozen or so locals if they knew if their car had ABS. Only one knew. Several had never heard of ABS.
No wonder so many deer end up on front seats round here.
I then asked a dozen or so locals if they knew if their car had ABS. Only one knew. Several had never heard of ABS.
No wonder so many deer end up on front seats round here.
Zad said:
A lot of people don't realise you can steer when you hit the ABS,
Yeah, that's really useful when you're going down a 1 in 3 on a bed of hailstones, accelerating under gravity because the brakes won't bite and the T junction at the bottom is approaching fast. You can at least point it at the bit you want to hit.I know these things...
GetCarter said:
Last time I hired a car I asked if it had ABS... they had no idea. I suggested that they should make it an essential bit of info, given out to all, just like diesel/petrol... as it completely changes they way you react when a deer jumps out in front of you. They didn't even know what I was talking about.
I then asked a dozen or so locals if they knew if their car had ABS. Only one knew. Several had never heard of ABS.
No wonder so many deer end up on front seats round here.
There aren't many hire cars from the last 7-10 years that DON'T have ABS given that it's been a european requirement on new, volume-produced, cars since 2007!I then asked a dozen or so locals if they knew if their car had ABS. Only one knew. Several had never heard of ABS.
No wonder so many deer end up on front seats round here.
GoneAnon said:
GetCarter said:
Last time I hired a car I asked if it had ABS... they had no idea. I suggested that they should make it an essential bit of info, given out to all, just like diesel/petrol... as it completely changes they way you react when a deer jumps out in front of you. They didn't even know what I was talking about.
I then asked a dozen or so locals if they knew if their car had ABS. Only one knew. Several had never heard of ABS.
No wonder so many deer end up on front seats round here.
There aren't many hire cars from the last 7-10 years that DON'T have ABS given that it's been a european requirement on new, volume-produced, cars since 2007!I then asked a dozen or so locals if they knew if their car had ABS. Only one knew. Several had never heard of ABS.
No wonder so many deer end up on front seats round here.
GoneAnon said:
There aren't many hire cars from the last 7-10 years that DON'T have ABS given that it's been a european requirement on new, volume-produced, cars since 2007!
I haven't hired a car in the past 7 years. It was when I did, that I was so surprised that AVIS had no idea if their cars had ABS or not. And I BET... if I asked locals today how to brake using ABS or not ABS, very few would know (and most cars round here are over 7 years old!).ETA, I even wrote a (short) book about how not to hit deer and crash/burn up here, as so many were doing so, and gave it away to all the teenage kids. Didn't make a bit of a difference mind... they still all end up with deer on their laps, or upside down in the peat bog.
Edited by GetCarter on Sunday 20th July 18:35
Zad said:
A lot of people don't realise you can steer when you hit the ABS, it is the natural reaction just to brace for impact, and totally forget there's a big round thing in front of you that can move to get you around the potential scene of the accident.
Is this not the whole point of ABS?Cliftonite said:
Zad said:
A lot of people don't realise you can steer when you hit the ABS, it is the natural reaction just to brace for impact, and totally forget there's a big round thing in front of you that can move to get you around the potential scene of the accident.
Is this not the whole point of ABS?GoneAnon said:
Learning to use ABS braking is a perfectly sensible thing to do.
Most drivers will never experience their brake pedal pulsing under their foot until they REALLY need the ABS, and too many of them lift off instead of keeping the brakes applied.
If your brake pedal is pulsing you would be better off easing off the brake pedal a little until it stops. ABS kicking in helps you steer but is far from the quickest way of stopping. Most drivers will never experience their brake pedal pulsing under their foot until they REALLY need the ABS, and too many of them lift off instead of keeping the brakes applied.
powerstroke said:
They will also confirm correct use of audi indicators ie to force your way across busy lanes at the last minute when leaving or joining the motorway from/too the outside lane and never when turning right at a roundabout???.
Some people have strange prejudices . A hint of jealousy perhaps ..Zad said:
A lot of people don't realise you can steer when you hit the ABS, it is the natural reaction just to brace for impact, and totally forget there's a big round thing in front of you that can move to get you around the potential scene of the accident.
I was amazed when I did it in some driver training. At 90mph, I stamped on the brakes and swerved around the obstacle at 50-60mph.
Cliftonite said:
Zad said:
A lot of people don't realise you can steer when you hit the ABS, it is the natural reaction just to brace for impact, and totally forget there's a big round thing in front of you that can move to get you around the potential scene of the accident.
Is this not the whole point of ABS?Jon1967x said:
GoneAnon said:
Learning to use ABS braking is a perfectly sensible thing to do.
Most drivers will never experience their brake pedal pulsing under their foot until they REALLY need the ABS, and too many of them lift off instead of keeping the brakes applied.
If your brake pedal is pulsing you would be better off easing off the brake pedal a little until it stops. ABS kicking in helps you steer but is far from the quickest way of stopping. Most drivers will never experience their brake pedal pulsing under their foot until they REALLY need the ABS, and too many of them lift off instead of keeping the brakes applied.
ABS is a blunt on/off mechanism that allows the wheels to keep turning, it doesn't control the brake pressure to the optimum retardation point for the conditions. It's very noticeable if you've ever driven on something like compacted snow, braked and your ABS kicks in, you find that the car takes ages to stop. Ease of the brake and the ABS kicks in less and the stopping ability will increase.
Next time it's slippy and safe to do so, try it, whether its wet, icy, gravel, mud, anything.
At least this is what I was told and happened when I was on the brake test pad at Millbrook
Next time it's slippy and safe to do so, try it, whether its wet, icy, gravel, mud, anything.
At least this is what I was told and happened when I was on the brake test pad at Millbrook
Edited by Jon1967x on Sunday 20th July 20:37
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q5wqqg97r4E
Its a motorbike demo and I didn't hear the sound but it shows the point.
If ABS really lived up to the hype it wouldn't pulse - you would lock up, it would release and reapply and would quickly find the maximum retardation available which meant it didn't need to release the wheels.
I'm far from anti it though. I'd prefer to have steering than leave the road backwards
Its a motorbike demo and I didn't hear the sound but it shows the point.
If ABS really lived up to the hype it wouldn't pulse - you would lock up, it would release and reapply and would quickly find the maximum retardation available which meant it didn't need to release the wheels.
I'm far from anti it though. I'd prefer to have steering than leave the road backwards
nickfrog said:
Debaser said:
You'd be amazed how many people only use 60% or 70% of the car's braking capacity when asked to brake as hard as they can.
I would say most drivers fall in that category, which is why manufacturers have been increasingly "overservoing" their cars over the years to compensate and ruin modulation for the rest of us. Audi are the worst incidentally but it's a win win from a marketing POV as people are convinced that a short travel on/off brake pedal means the brakes have superior power "because you hardly need to touch them" or think Porsches' brakes are rubbish because you have to work them harder.Fortunately there are people who work in manufacturers who care a lot about brake pedal feel and ease of modulation.
Jon1967x said:
If your brake pedal is pulsing you would be better off easing off the brake pedal a little until it stops. ABS kicking in helps you steer but is far from the quickest way of stopping.
^ this. All the time the ABS is pulsing, it is not applying brake force for a fraction of a second. If you want to stop in the shortest distance, you're best off keeping the pedal just below the threshold at which ABS kicks in. Which takes practice. 
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