This drives me mad
Discussion
heebeegeetee said:
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But despite this enormous disparity drivers will continue to obsess over cyclist rlj.
Probably because, on a daily basis if you drive in some places, there are so many near misses caused by the stupidity and recklessness of cyclists that fatal or very serious accidents are only avoided by the skill of the driver (or rider) who misses them. Unfortunately you can't convert this sort of anecdotal evidence into the 'stats' so beloved by some.But despite this enormous disparity drivers will continue to obsess over cyclist rlj.
TheInsanity1234 said:
this drives me mad.
Don't these people realise that anybody who has killed a cyclist or someone by accident on the roads will have to live with that on their conscience for the rest of their lives?
Putting them in prison won't change their driving. Removing their licence won't change their driving. Giving them a fine and a few points won't change their driving.
What will change their driving, is the fact they are going to constantly think about the fact they've killed someone. The fact they've destroyed the lives of the person's family. The fact they've made a mistake that quite a few other people will routinely make, but they're unfortunate enough to end up killing someone as a result.
These people are going to need support and consolation, not punishing.
Does nobody understand that?
You've made the mistake of assuming everyone out there has guilt, remorse, common decency and common sense.Don't these people realise that anybody who has killed a cyclist or someone by accident on the roads will have to live with that on their conscience for the rest of their lives?
Putting them in prison won't change their driving. Removing their licence won't change their driving. Giving them a fine and a few points won't change their driving.
What will change their driving, is the fact they are going to constantly think about the fact they've killed someone. The fact they've destroyed the lives of the person's family. The fact they've made a mistake that quite a few other people will routinely make, but they're unfortunate enough to end up killing someone as a result.
These people are going to need support and consolation, not punishing.
Does nobody understand that?
They don't.
walm said:
Honest mistakes would be running all available medical tests on someone leading to no clear diagnosis and then choosing the wrong course of treatment.
That's a mistake. Punishing that person would serve no purpose and has no deterrent effect.
Not running all the available tests is negligent. Punishing someone who does that would serve a purpose - it would encourage others to run all the tests!
ROFLMFAO! What a hoot! Please tell me you are not a doctor. If you are then I demand to do your next appraisal. Brillant!!That's a mistake. Punishing that person would serve no purpose and has no deterrent effect.
Not running all the available tests is negligent. Punishing someone who does that would serve a purpose - it would encourage others to run all the tests!
226bhp said:
TheInsanity1234 said:
this drives me mad.
Don't these people realise that anybody who has killed a cyclist or someone by accident on the roads will have to live with that on their conscience for the rest of their lives?
Putting them in prison won't change their driving. Removing their licence won't change their driving. Giving them a fine and a few points won't change their driving.
What will change their driving, is the fact they are going to constantly think about the fact they've killed someone. The fact they've destroyed the lives of the person's family. The fact they've made a mistake that quite a few other people will routinely make, but they're unfortunate enough to end up killing someone as a result.
These people are going to need support and consolation, not punishing.
Does nobody understand that?
You've made the mistake of assuming everyone out there has guilt, remorse, common decency and common sense.Don't these people realise that anybody who has killed a cyclist or someone by accident on the roads will have to live with that on their conscience for the rest of their lives?
Putting them in prison won't change their driving. Removing their licence won't change their driving. Giving them a fine and a few points won't change their driving.
What will change their driving, is the fact they are going to constantly think about the fact they've killed someone. The fact they've destroyed the lives of the person's family. The fact they've made a mistake that quite a few other people will routinely make, but they're unfortunate enough to end up killing someone as a result.
These people are going to need support and consolation, not punishing.
Does nobody understand that?
They don't.
Why do I think that some one who has killed someone else as a result of an accident on the road , would , after being let off , go out and celebrate with friends and family rather than seek help and consolation .
McSatan said:
If he (or she) had just braked in a straight line they'd have hit the veering cyclist. I guess yours is a vote for hit the cyclist rather than oncoming traffic. Which is what I'd probably do, incidentally.
Natural instinct would kick in, you would brake and try to avoid the cyclist, by this time you would either be heading for the oncoming car and so would try to avoid that whilst possibly hitting the cyclist or you would already have hit the oncoming vehicle.Things like that take fractions of a second so would be very surprised if you were able to make a conscious decision between bike or oncoming vehicle, if you had the time for that you would be far enough back to avoid both.
Laser Sag said:
Natural instinct would kick in, you would brake and try to avoid the cyclist, by this time you would either be heading for the oncoming car and so would try to avoid that whilst possibly hitting the cyclist or you would already have hit the oncoming vehicle.
Things like that take fractions of a second so would be very surprised if you were able to make a conscious decision between bike or oncoming vehicle, if you had the time for that you would be far enough back to avoid both.
It sounds like the sort of situation I don't find myself in anyway due to looking and thinking ahead.Things like that take fractions of a second so would be very surprised if you were able to make a conscious decision between bike or oncoming vehicle, if you had the time for that you would be far enough back to avoid both.
Mr Gear said:
Laser Sag said:
Natural instinct would kick in, you would brake and try to avoid the cyclist, by this time you would either be heading for the oncoming car and so would try to avoid that whilst possibly hitting the cyclist or you would already have hit the oncoming vehicle.
Things like that take fractions of a second so would be very surprised if you were able to make a conscious decision between bike or oncoming vehicle, if you had the time for that you would be far enough back to avoid both.
It sounds like the sort of situation I don't find myself in anyway due to looking and thinking ahead.Things like that take fractions of a second so would be very surprised if you were able to make a conscious decision between bike or oncoming vehicle, if you had the time for that you would be far enough back to avoid both.
We all try to avoid that type of situation but people will always make stupid errors.
Mr Gear said:
Just slow down and give cyclists space, then you won't come into conflict with them, even if they screw up.
It's not rocket salad.
Unless you are never going to pass them there will always be a potential for something to happen, you can as we all try to minimise the possibility but unless you don't go out on the road at all there is always a potential for something to go wrong, unless like you obviously think you are perfect.It's not rocket salad.
Mr Gear said:
Well, I haven't run over any cyclists yet. But you make out like it's something of an inevitability, which suggests you might be a crap driver to me.
No unlike you I admit that I am not infallible, I do everything within my capability to reduce any risk but I am not such a prat as to suggest it will never happen to me. You however come across as someone who has never made a mistake in their life, therefore you must think you are perfect whereas I am happy to admit I am not.I don't believe I am a crap driver but I am human and as such I know there is a chance I can get it wrong.
I will obviously bow to your obvious superiority in all things though.
I think some jail time is appropriate if reckless/dangerous driving was involved. Probably not appropriate if the driver was driving sensibly and it was a "genuine" tragic accident but you've taken a life, so there have to be some repercussions. Some form of ban seems appropriate and I think would actually be healthy for the well-being of the driver before they're allowed back on the roads.
This case in Canada was interesting.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/c...
What that woman did was very stupid and very dangerous and her actions contributed to the death of two other motorists. However, she has been given a life sentence, which seems overly harsh. It doesn't say in this article but in an earlier article I read it did state that she had turned on her hazard flashers (although still unacceptable and dangerous to stop in the overtaking lane) and the motorbike was travelling at 130km/h in poor conditions and in a 90km/h speed limit. Could the accident have been avoided if the motorcyclist was riding at the speed limit and appropriate to the weather conditions? Possibly. If he had survived and his pillion (who also happened to be his daughter) had still died, would he be facing charges? According to this article, his wife was riding another motorcycle and also hit the car but survived. Was there any racing going on?
Not being anti-motorcyclist and I'm sure a lot on PH ride and have fun responsibility but some motorcyclists seem very unhinged and don't seem to think that speed limits apply to them!
This case in Canada was interesting.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/c...
What that woman did was very stupid and very dangerous and her actions contributed to the death of two other motorists. However, she has been given a life sentence, which seems overly harsh. It doesn't say in this article but in an earlier article I read it did state that she had turned on her hazard flashers (although still unacceptable and dangerous to stop in the overtaking lane) and the motorbike was travelling at 130km/h in poor conditions and in a 90km/h speed limit. Could the accident have been avoided if the motorcyclist was riding at the speed limit and appropriate to the weather conditions? Possibly. If he had survived and his pillion (who also happened to be his daughter) had still died, would he be facing charges? According to this article, his wife was riding another motorcycle and also hit the car but survived. Was there any racing going on?
Not being anti-motorcyclist and I'm sure a lot on PH ride and have fun responsibility but some motorcyclists seem very unhinged and don't seem to think that speed limits apply to them!
white_goodman said:
I think some jail time is appropriate if reckless/dangerous driving was involved. Probably not appropriate if the driver was driving sensibly and it was a "genuine" tragic accident but you've taken a life, so there have to be some repercussions. Some form of ban seems appropriate and I think would actually be healthy for the well-being of the driver before they're allowed back on the roads.
It's not really an "accident" if someone is found criminally liable for it. That's avoidable.Gassing Station | General Gassing | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff