HOT HATCHES are amazing now. But.
Discussion
Pixelpeep7r said:
It needs to be graded on a points system
0-60 time
bhp
weight
mpg
what wheel drive
handling
practicality
reliability
fun
and
price
someone needs to make a kick ass spreadsheet with some drop downs for grading - not sure how you could quantify what points for 'fun' but for facts you it would be easy..
Example -
what wheel drive
FWD - 1 point
RWD - 3 points
AWD - 5 points
Looks needlessly complex to me; let me simplify that for you.0-60 time
bhp
weight
mpg
what wheel drive
handling
practicality
reliability
fun
and
price
someone needs to make a kick ass spreadsheet with some drop downs for grading - not sure how you could quantify what points for 'fun' but for facts you it would be easy..
Example -
what wheel drive
FWD - 1 point
RWD - 3 points
AWD - 5 points
1 Question: Do I enjoy it?
Yes = +1000 points, No =-1000 points
Everything else doesn't really matter, especially silly numbers that are only really useful if you brag about the car in a pub.
Edited by GrizzlyBear on Thursday 24th July 13:40
Been doing some proper test drives today and the 4 cars I drove were the A45AMG, the Golf R, the Megane 275 and the M235i.
The Megane's engine felt dated and did not rev like a modern day turbo should and was fairly slow. It would be good on a track in the corners though.
The M235i had a beautiful engine but I will await the M2 before going down that route.
The Golf was fantastic. A little fettle to 350 bhp and that might just be the best all round car on earth.
But my suspicions were right. The A45AMG is fabulously fast out of the crate. Rapid gearbox just adding to the fun.
That thing with another 64 bhp will be a genuine supercar baiter and yet it will take you on holiday or do the shopping or school run.
I wager that if we put one of those against an Integrale (I had a series 2 Integrale myself) it would make it look silly.
Laggy, weak and slow.
The Megane's engine felt dated and did not rev like a modern day turbo should and was fairly slow. It would be good on a track in the corners though.
The M235i had a beautiful engine but I will await the M2 before going down that route.
The Golf was fantastic. A little fettle to 350 bhp and that might just be the best all round car on earth.
But my suspicions were right. The A45AMG is fabulously fast out of the crate. Rapid gearbox just adding to the fun.
That thing with another 64 bhp will be a genuine supercar baiter and yet it will take you on holiday or do the shopping or school run.
I wager that if we put one of those against an Integrale (I had a series 2 Integrale myself) it would make it look silly.
Laggy, weak and slow.
I would say Clio v6 is the best I've owned. Out of interest, why is an Integra DC2 or DC5 not classed as a hot hatch? I have a DC2 and the boot definitely does 'hatch' up like any other hot hatch?? Can drop the seats as well....when does a hatchback stop being a hatchback and start becoming a fastback of lift back?
CorvetteConvert said:
Been doing some proper test drives today and the 4 cars I drove were the A45AMG, the Golf R, the Megane 275 and the M235i.
The Megane's engine felt dated and did not rev like a modern day turbo should and was fairly slow. It would be good on a track in the corners though.
The M235i had a beautiful engine but I will await the M2 before going down that route.
The Golf was fantastic. A little fettle to 350 bhp and that might just be the best all round car on earth.
But my suspicions were right. The A45AMG is fabulously fast out of the crate. Rapid gearbox just adding to the fun.
That thing with another 64 bhp will be a genuine supercar baiter and yet it will take you on holiday or do the shopping or school run.
I wager that if we put one of those against an Integrale (I had a series 2 Integrale myself) it would make it look silly.
Laggy, weak and slow.
Was the ride in the A45 as bad as all the reports are saying?The Megane's engine felt dated and did not rev like a modern day turbo should and was fairly slow. It would be good on a track in the corners though.
The M235i had a beautiful engine but I will await the M2 before going down that route.
The Golf was fantastic. A little fettle to 350 bhp and that might just be the best all round car on earth.
But my suspicions were right. The A45AMG is fabulously fast out of the crate. Rapid gearbox just adding to the fun.
That thing with another 64 bhp will be a genuine supercar baiter and yet it will take you on holiday or do the shopping or school run.
I wager that if we put one of those against an Integrale (I had a series 2 Integrale myself) it would make it look silly.
Laggy, weak and slow.
Set up for the track rather than British roads?
aka_kerrly said:
By broadly the same I mean with an average driver on a typical A road, I am not on about setting Nurburgring times although that said the newest range of hot hatches like the Focus RS, Leon 280, Golf GTI are capable of lap times in line with supercars from a decade or two ago!
!
While plain old FWD hot hatches aren't really my thing, this old video from Best Motoring in Japan still makes me chuckle: Witness 3 Civic Type Rs wiping the floor with two S2000s around Tsukuba.!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IKJcKE7-uHY
The mk2 was especially 'hot' with this bolted in
I think people don't get what a hot hatch is meant to be. It' should not have a cage, buckets or polycarbonate windows.
It should have aircon, a boot for the Labrador and Tesco shop. You should be able to drive the kids to school in comfort, but be able to have a 3 hour detour hoon on the way back.
And this is something the Golf has always managed. In every mk. Jack of all trades, master of none.
I think people don't get what a hot hatch is meant to be. It' should not have a cage, buckets or polycarbonate windows.
It should have aircon, a boot for the Labrador and Tesco shop. You should be able to drive the kids to school in comfort, but be able to have a 3 hour detour hoon on the way back.
And this is something the Golf has always managed. In every mk. Jack of all trades, master of none.
scherzkeks said:
aka_kerrly said:
By broadly the same I mean with an average driver on a typical A road, I am not on about setting Nurburgring times although that said the newest range of hot hatches like the Focus RS, Leon 280, Golf GTI are capable of lap times in line with supercars from a decade or two ago!
!
While plain old FWD hot hatches aren't really my thing, this old video from Best Motoring in Japan still makes me chuckle: Witness 3 Civic Type Rs wiping the floor with two S2000s around Tsukuba.!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IKJcKE7-uHY
Mk2 Golf 16v is the best ever. I am biased but today my 26 year old shed was used as a hack to the station and then did a Waitrose shop with a great very quick journey there and back.
No need for aircon as it's got a sunroof, just needs a working radio. Very noisy tyres on the roundabouts too!
No need for aircon as it's got a sunroof, just needs a working radio. Very noisy tyres on the roundabouts too!
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