HOT HATCHES are amazing now. But.
Discussion
CorvetteConvert said:
Which is the best hot hatch of all time. Not for it's day, for now.
As in this week.
Not at the Nurburgring on melty tyres, for the road (99%) and a very rare track day for fun.
Performance is what matters. Speed. Brakes. Feeling of sheer power.
Which car kicks ass in your view?
Do you not remember the nominations thread, poll thread and results thread on the greatest hot hatch ever?As in this week.
Not at the Nurburgring on melty tyres, for the road (99%) and a very rare track day for fun.
Performance is what matters. Speed. Brakes. Feeling of sheer power.
Which car kicks ass in your view?
ging84 said:
are you talking about the best performance outright, or best performance for the money, there are a generation of 300hp+ hot hatches now which sort of make comparisons to anything else fairly pointless.
But at £30k+ the cars themselves seem fair pointless as part of the appeal of a hot hatch in the past has been the affordability.
When the original Golf GTI was launched in the late seventies, the relative cost of that car was circa £30k....But at £30k+ the cars themselves seem fair pointless as part of the appeal of a hot hatch in the past has been the affordability.
blprice1 said:
ging84 said:
are you talking about the best performance outright, or best performance for the money, there are a generation of 300hp+ hot hatches now which sort of make comparisons to anything else fairly pointless.
But at £30k+ the cars themselves seem fair pointless as part of the appeal of a hot hatch in the past has been the affordability.
When the original Golf GTI was launched in the late seventies, the relative cost of that car was circa £30k....But at £30k+ the cars themselves seem fair pointless as part of the appeal of a hot hatch in the past has been the affordability.
Tuvra said:
blprice1 said:
ging84 said:
are you talking about the best performance outright, or best performance for the money, there are a generation of 300hp+ hot hatches now which sort of make comparisons to anything else fairly pointless.
But at £30k+ the cars themselves seem fair pointless as part of the appeal of a hot hatch in the past has been the affordability.
When the original Golf GTI was launched in the late seventies, the relative cost of that car was circa £30k....But at £30k+ the cars themselves seem fair pointless as part of the appeal of a hot hatch in the past has been the affordability.
It's amazing the number of people who don't seem to get the concept of inflation. 106 GTI. Aside from my Elise this is easily the best handling car I have owned by some margin. It was cheap at £13k brand new, so accessible to anyone. It was so light and fun. Shame they are probably all battered wrecks by now.
For the record I do not count many of the modern "hot hatches" as such. Simply because they are HUGE and weigh a ton (and a half). They are simply large family cars with not many doors. They are a million miles away from true hot hatches. Anything over 1000kg certainly does not count.
I have also owned the 147 GTA (great noise), S3, R32, 145 Cloverleaf (massively underrated raw fun). The 145 is a better hot hatch than the 147. Much like a Mk1 Golf is a better hot hatch than a lardy modern family car. BHP has nothing to do with it. Weight and handling are the key elements.
For the record I do not count many of the modern "hot hatches" as such. Simply because they are HUGE and weigh a ton (and a half). They are simply large family cars with not many doors. They are a million miles away from true hot hatches. Anything over 1000kg certainly does not count.
I have also owned the 147 GTA (great noise), S3, R32, 145 Cloverleaf (massively underrated raw fun). The 145 is a better hot hatch than the 147. Much like a Mk1 Golf is a better hot hatch than a lardy modern family car. BHP has nothing to do with it. Weight and handling are the key elements.
Edited by k-ink on Tuesday 22 July 09:43
k-ink said:
For the record I do not count many of the modern "hot hatches" as such. Simply because they are HUGE and weigh a ton. They are simply large family cars with not many doors. They are a million miles away from true hot hatches. Anything over 1000kg certainly does not count.
The Sportka weighed less than a 1000kg's and had a 100hp, possibility? Panda 100hp?
Failing that, MK1 RS Focus, or a Clio Trophy as said.
If I wanted to go fast and have enough room for the kids and weekly shop (the whole point of a HH) I'd say Golf R.
But if it was just for me for weekends and holidays a nice Mk1 Golf Campaign GTi (in green please) they're not very fast by todays standards, they're tiny, the interior is plasti-crap and the brakes are awful - but they're nice to drive.
But if it was just for me for weekends and holidays a nice Mk1 Golf Campaign GTi (in green please) they're not very fast by todays standards, they're tiny, the interior is plasti-crap and the brakes are awful - but they're nice to drive.
rb5er said:
So hardly any hot hatches are hot hatches according your your own definition.
No not many are. But then again I have owned and driven many of the original old school hatches as well as many modern family cars pretending to be hot hatches. So I base my opinion on many years of experience. Feel free to think differently but I will laugh at your incorrect conclusion, as you did mine 
k-ink said:
106 GTI. Aside from my Elise this is easily the best handling car I have owned by some margin. It was cheap at £13k brand new, so accessible to anyone. It was so light and fun. Shame they are probably all battered wrecks by now.
For the record I do not count many of the modern "hot hatches" as such. Simply because they are HUGE and weigh a ton (and a half). They are simply large family cars with not many doors. They are a million miles away from true hot hatches. Anything over 1000kg certainly does not count.
I have also owned the 147 GTA (great noise), S3, R32, 145 Cloverleaf (massively underrated raw fun). The 145 is a better hot hatch than the 147. Much like a Mk1 Golf is a better hot hatch than a lardy modern family car. BHP has nothing to do with it. Weight and handling are the key elements.
Agree, but as long as it is not too heavy then there are plenty of great ones over a tonne ie 306 gti, Clio Trophy (and Williams), Civics, Meganes ect..For the record I do not count many of the modern "hot hatches" as such. Simply because they are HUGE and weigh a ton (and a half). They are simply large family cars with not many doors. They are a million miles away from true hot hatches. Anything over 1000kg certainly does not count.
I have also owned the 147 GTA (great noise), S3, R32, 145 Cloverleaf (massively underrated raw fun). The 145 is a better hot hatch than the 147. Much like a Mk1 Golf is a better hot hatch than a lardy modern family car. BHP has nothing to do with it. Weight and handling are the key elements.
Edited by k-ink on Tuesday 22 July 09:43
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