HOT HATCHES are amazing now. But.
Discussion
rb5er said:
k-ink said:
Anything over 1000kg certainly does not count.
So hardly any hot hatches are hot hatches according your your own definition.
I doubt many/any people subscribe to that.
Lighter the better is indeed good but it does not stop the cars being hot hatches.
I test drove a new 306 GTi and the 106 GTi back to back. The smaller lighter car was vastly superior as a pure fun machine (the entire point of a hot hatch). Fast forward to today and it is like comparing a big BHP family wagon like the Focus against a... wait, does anyone even make a car not mega fat these days?... No wonder people do not know what they are missing out on.
To me the term "hot hatch" has been stolen from a now past era and slapped onto any large car the marketing team wish to punt out the door.
To me the term "hot hatch" has been stolen from a now past era and slapped onto any large car the marketing team wish to punt out the door.
Its not all about bhp but its not all about weight either when it comes to fun.
You cant dismiss cars as not being hot hatches when indeed they are hot and they are hatches.
I was also bought up around 80's hot hatches, everyone used to have a 205 GTI, golf GTI or RS Turbo etc but there are also some great got hatches that weight 1200, 1350 or even 1500kgs. Lighter usually means more fun to chuck around but it does not define a type of car.
A Focus RS mk1or Civic type-R etc etc not a hot hatchback? Really?
You cant dismiss cars as not being hot hatches when indeed they are hot and they are hatches.
I was also bought up around 80's hot hatches, everyone used to have a 205 GTI, golf GTI or RS Turbo etc but there are also some great got hatches that weight 1200, 1350 or even 1500kgs. Lighter usually means more fun to chuck around but it does not define a type of car.
A Focus RS mk1or Civic type-R etc etc not a hot hatchback? Really?
k-ink said:
I test drove a new 306 GTi and the 106 GTi back to back. The smaller lighter car was vastly superior as a pure fun machine (the entire point of a hot hatch). Fast forward to today and it is like comparing a big BHP family wagon like the Focus against a... wait, does anyone even make a car not mega fat these days?... No wonder people do not know what they are missing out on.
Would be interesting to compare the 306 GTi with a modern day car like the Fiesta ST - According to Wikipedia, the Fiesta is 4067x1722x1473mm, the 306 is 4030x1680x1380. Pretty sure Evo quoted the Fiesta as weighing 1088kg. I can't find a weight figure for the 306.Another classic thread where hardly anyone reads the OP and had already decided what they were going to reply as soon as they saw the thread title.
OP said:
Which is the best hot hatch of all time. Not for it's day, for now. As in this week.
3rd reply said:
Back in the day Pug 1.9gti....still miss it 
OP said:
Performance is what matters. Speed. Brakes. Feeling of sheer power.
1st reply said:
Peugeot 106 rallye 1.3
I don't think it's a great question but at least I read it.ManFromDelmonte said:
Another classic thread where hardly anyone reads the OP and had already decided what they were going to reply as soon as they saw the thread title.
205s and 106s are still regarded as the best now, not just in their day. OP said:
Which is the best hot hatch of all time. Not for it's day, for now. As in this week.
3rd reply said:
Back in the day Pug 1.9gti....still miss it
OP said:
Performance is what matters. Speed. Brakes. Feeling of sheer power.
1st reply said:
Peugeot 106 rallye 1.3
I don't think it's a great question but at least I read it.OP said:
Performance is what matters. Speed. Brakes. Feeling of sheer power.
- matter of opinion.For now then I would've thought a Megane 265/275 would be the best all round hot hatch to be a good daily and great for a rare track visit. Although I'm sure a M135i could be made a case for.
I know the OP said modern day but I think the Clio 182 Trophy would hold its own in most areas still. I'm more of a fan of the Civic Type-R but I can see why people would say the Trophy is the best ever. Big engine in little car, awesome handling and still looks fresh 10 years later.
I know the OP said modern day but I think the Clio 182 Trophy would hold its own in most areas still. I'm more of a fan of the Civic Type-R but I can see why people would say the Trophy is the best ever. Big engine in little car, awesome handling and still looks fresh 10 years later.
s m said:
thiscocks said:
Agree, but as long as it is not too heavy then there are plenty of great ones over a tonne ie 306 gti, Clio Trophy (and Williams), Civics, Meganes ect..
Clio Williams just sneaks under 1000kg like the 309gti , Saxo VTS and 106 Gtithiscocks said:
matter of opinion.
Of course it is, but it was the OPs thread and he set the criteria.I also agree about those pugs still being great today but if we are judging on speed, power etc. then they aren't going to win.
As I said I don't think it is a great question as hot hatches are not about speed, feelings of power etc. But it was the OPs question and nobody seems to have read it.
Having said all that, I'm sure he'll live.
My choice will no doubt be controversial... But for me a hot hatch needs to be a jack of all trades, and so by definition is a master of none.
It is a one car that does it all so needs to balance fun handling, long journeys, feel, refinement, safety, family life, visual appeal, price, power, mpg, insurance, running costs and the ability to be parked anywhere etc etc.
Therefore my vote goes to the mk5 VW Golf GTI.
It is a one car that does it all so needs to balance fun handling, long journeys, feel, refinement, safety, family life, visual appeal, price, power, mpg, insurance, running costs and the ability to be parked anywhere etc etc.
Therefore my vote goes to the mk5 VW Golf GTI.
ManFromDelmonte said:
Of course it is, but it was the OPs thread and he set the criteria.
I also agree about those pugs still being great today but if we are judging on speed, power etc. then they aren't going to win.
As I said I don't think it is a great question as hot hatches are not about speed, feelings of power etc. But it was the OPs question and nobody seems to have read it.
Having said all that, I'm sure he'll live.
I took it to mean anything up to this date, which can include old stuff if we still think it cuts the mustard today.I also agree about those pugs still being great today but if we are judging on speed, power etc. then they aren't going to win.
As I said I don't think it is a great question as hot hatches are not about speed, feelings of power etc. But it was the OPs question and nobody seems to have read it.
Having said all that, I'm sure he'll live.
It did cross my mind that he may have meant something that is available to buy today, new, but that wasn't the first thought that crossed my mind.
I don't personally think anything you can buy today is the best hot hatch up until today unless we are judging on pure numbers.
ManFromDelmonte said:
Of course it is, but it was the OPs thread and he set the criteria.
I also agree about those pugs still being great today but if we are judging on speed, power etc. then they aren't going to win.
As I said I don't think it is a great question as hot hatches are not about speed, feelings of power etc. But it was the OPs question and nobody seems to have read it.
Having said all that, I'm sure he'll live.
ok, prob read it differently. Pah, if you want the feeling of pure power and speed go and buy a boring supercar!I also agree about those pugs still being great today but if we are judging on speed, power etc. then they aren't going to win.
As I said I don't think it is a great question as hot hatches are not about speed, feelings of power etc. But it was the OPs question and nobody seems to have read it.
Having said all that, I'm sure he'll live.
thiscocks said:
s m said:
thiscocks said:
Agree, but as long as it is not too heavy then there are plenty of great ones over a tonne ie 306 gti, Clio Trophy (and Williams), Civics, Meganes ect..
Clio Williams just sneaks under 1000kg like the 309gti , Saxo VTS and 106 GtiTheir 306 Gti figure was same as yours
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