/DRIVE is back 31st July!
Discussion
beanbag said:
I love how everyone expects everything for free.
It's not exactly a charity business and these people have to earn a living and cover their costs.
Unfortunately, I won't be paying for them because I live in Spain and it's not available here but 99p per month is hardly much for the average person. If you're that tight, how about waiting until the end of the season and paying for a 99p month pass and watching all the movies in one hit?
99p/month is worth thinking about, but I'd rather they go the way of Motor Trend and NetworkA, by doing small advertising slots in the shows.It's not exactly a charity business and these people have to earn a living and cover their costs.
Unfortunately, I won't be paying for them because I live in Spain and it's not available here but 99p per month is hardly much for the average person. If you're that tight, how about waiting until the end of the season and paying for a 99p month pass and watching all the movies in one hit?
beanbag said:
I love how everyone expects everything for free.
It's not exactly a charity business and these people have to earn a living and cover their costs.
Without being condescending, you're obviously not aware of how youtube works. There are many ways of sustaining income without charging for subscription. There are a lot of channels with much higher production values and more regular content that seem to have no trouble making stacks of cash. It's not exactly a charity business and these people have to earn a living and cover their costs.
KarlMac said:
beanbag said:
I love how everyone expects everything for free.
It's not exactly a charity business and these people have to earn a living and cover their costs.
Without being condescending, you're obviously not aware of how YouTube works. There are many ways of sustaining income without charging for subscription. There are a lot of channels with much higher production values and more regular content that seem to have no trouble making stacks of cash. It's not exactly a charity business and these people have to earn a living and cover their costs.
However putting that aside, I'm very well aware of how YouTube works. However the costs of running a film crew, hiring expensive cars, pre and post production heavily outweigh any income you would get from YouTube.
The videography is excellent and I genuinely ask you to show me a channel that contains that number of videos of that quality, available for free.
Even if it is £2.99, it's still cheap and relatively good value.
Once again, they are a business and they need to make money somehow....or do you think it's all one big jolly?
Finally if you don't want to pay, as mentioned before, just wait for the season to end and pay for a month of great viewing. £2.99 becomes a bargain!
beanbag said:
KarlMac said:
beanbag said:
I love how everyone expects everything for free.
It's not exactly a charity business and these people have to earn a living and cover their costs.
Without being condescending, you're obviously not aware of how YouTube works. There are many ways of sustaining income without charging for subscription. There are a lot of channels with much higher production values and more regular content that seem to have no trouble making stacks of cash. It's not exactly a charity business and these people have to earn a living and cover their costs.
However putting that aside, I'm very well aware of how YouTube works. However the costs of running a film crew, hiring expensive cars, pre and post production heavily outweigh any income you would get from YouTube.
The videography is excellent and I genuinely ask you to show me a channel that contains that number of videos of that quality, available for free.
Even if it is £2.99, it's still cheap and relatively good value.
Once again, they are a business and they need to make money somehow....or do you think it's all one big jolly?
Finally if you don't want to pay, as mentioned before, just wait for the season to end and pay for a month of great viewing. £2.99 becomes a bargain!
Pewdipie makes stacks of cash, but all he does is video himself being an idiot. Cost free, as he seems to be a natural idiot, and he's the biggest youtuber out there. Outside of the top 50 (which are mostly gaming) you'll struggle to find anyone making "stacks of cash", but I'd love some examples.
Making money on youtube while producing real content is very difficult, and this subscription model IS the future. I have no problem with £2.49/month if we're getting a good quality Harris video weekly, and a couple of other videos a month which are worth a watch.
Sadly, I fear like driver republic, they are still ahead of the game, and £2.49 is going to be too much for most people.
jon- said:
beanbag said:
KarlMac said:
beanbag said:
I love how everyone expects everything for free.
It's not exactly a charity business and these people have to earn a living and cover their costs.
Without being condescending, you're obviously not aware of how YouTube works. There are many ways of sustaining income without charging for subscription. There are a lot of channels with much higher production values and more regular content that seem to have no trouble making stacks of cash. It's not exactly a charity business and these people have to earn a living and cover their costs.
However putting that aside, I'm very well aware of how YouTube works. However the costs of running a film crew, hiring expensive cars, pre and post production heavily outweigh any income you would get from YouTube.
The videography is excellent and I genuinely ask you to show me a channel that contains that number of videos of that quality, available for free.
Even if it is £2.99, it's still cheap and relatively good value.
Once again, they are a business and they need to make money somehow....or do you think it's all one big jolly?
Finally if you don't want to pay, as mentioned before, just wait for the season to end and pay for a month of great viewing. £2.99 becomes a bargain!
Pewdipie makes stacks of cash, but all he does is video himself being an idiot. Cost free, as he seems to be a natural idiot, and he's the biggest youtuber out there. Outside of the top 50 (which are mostly gaming) you'll struggle to find anyone making "stacks of cash", but I'd love some examples.
Making money on youtube while producing real content is very difficult, and this subscription model IS the future. I have no problem with £2.49/month if we're getting a good quality Harris video weekly, and a couple of other videos a month which are worth a watch.
Sadly, I fear like driver republic, they are still ahead of the game, and £2.49 is going to be too much for most people.
Ask Shmee if he needs to charge subs.
Corridor digital, HISHE, Cinema Sins, Mojo, happy hour, petrolicious, motor trend, all doing high quality content without subs.
KarlMac said:
jon- said:
beanbag said:
KarlMac said:
beanbag said:
I love how everyone expects everything for free.
It's not exactly a charity business and these people have to earn a living and cover their costs.
Without being condescending, you're obviously not aware of how YouTube works. There are many ways of sustaining income without charging for subscription. There are a lot of channels with much higher production values and more regular content that seem to have no trouble making stacks of cash. It's not exactly a charity business and these people have to earn a living and cover their costs.
However putting that aside, I'm very well aware of how YouTube works. However the costs of running a film crew, hiring expensive cars, pre and post production heavily outweigh any income you would get from YouTube.
The videography is excellent and I genuinely ask you to show me a channel that contains that number of videos of that quality, available for free.
Even if it is £2.99, it's still cheap and relatively good value.
Once again, they are a business and they need to make money somehow....or do you think it's all one big jolly?
Finally if you don't want to pay, as mentioned before, just wait for the season to end and pay for a month of great viewing. £2.99 becomes a bargain!
Pewdipie makes stacks of cash, but all he does is video himself being an idiot. Cost free, as he seems to be a natural idiot, and he's the biggest youtuber out there. Outside of the top 50 (which are mostly gaming) you'll struggle to find anyone making "stacks of cash", but I'd love some examples.
Making money on youtube while producing real content is very difficult, and this subscription model IS the future. I have no problem with £2.49/month if we're getting a good quality Harris video weekly, and a couple of other videos a month which are worth a watch.
Sadly, I fear like driver republic, they are still ahead of the game, and £2.49 is going to be too much for most people.
Ask Shmee if he needs to charge subs.
Corridor digital, HISHE, Cinema Sins, Mojo, happy hour, petrolicious, motor trend, all doing high quality content without subs.
there is ALOT of good car content out there, subs isnt going to help /drive.
JB! said:
KarlMac said:
jon- said:
beanbag said:
KarlMac said:
beanbag said:
I love how everyone expects everything for free.
It's not exactly a charity business and these people have to earn a living and cover their costs.
Without being condescending, you're obviously not aware of how YouTube works. There are many ways of sustaining income without charging for subscription. There are a lot of channels with much higher production values and more regular content that seem to have no trouble making stacks of cash. It's not exactly a charity business and these people have to earn a living and cover their costs.
However putting that aside, I'm very well aware of how YouTube works. However the costs of running a film crew, hiring expensive cars, pre and post production heavily outweigh any income you would get from YouTube.
The videography is excellent and I genuinely ask you to show me a channel that contains that number of videos of that quality, available for free.
Even if it is £2.99, it's still cheap and relatively good value.
Once again, they are a business and they need to make money somehow....or do you think it's all one big jolly?
Finally if you don't want to pay, as mentioned before, just wait for the season to end and pay for a month of great viewing. £2.99 becomes a bargain!
Pewdipie makes stacks of cash, but all he does is video himself being an idiot. Cost free, as he seems to be a natural idiot, and he's the biggest youtuber out there. Outside of the top 50 (which are mostly gaming) you'll struggle to find anyone making "stacks of cash", but I'd love some examples.
Making money on youtube while producing real content is very difficult, and this subscription model IS the future. I have no problem with £2.49/month if we're getting a good quality Harris video weekly, and a couple of other videos a month which are worth a watch.
Sadly, I fear like driver republic, they are still ahead of the game, and £2.49 is going to be too much for most people.
Ask Shmee if he needs to charge subs.
Corridor digital, HISHE, Cinema Sins, Mojo, happy hour, petrolicious, motor trend, all doing high quality content without subs.
there is ALOT of good car content out there, subs isnt going to help /drive.
Just because a company is putting videos on youtube, doesn't mean its currently profitable.
And as for Shmee, he's hardly putting out big production is he, and he has great numbers? Plus, it's fairly common knowledge the money for the McLaren didn't come via youtube.
KarlMac said:
jon- said:
beanbag said:
KarlMac said:
beanbag said:
I love how everyone expects everything for free.
It's not exactly a charity business and these people have to earn a living and cover their costs.
Without being condescending, you're obviously not aware of how YouTube works. There are many ways of sustaining income without charging for subscription. There are a lot of channels with much higher production values and more regular content that seem to have no trouble making stacks of cash. It's not exactly a charity business and these people have to earn a living and cover their costs.
However putting that aside, I'm very well aware of how YouTube works. However the costs of running a film crew, hiring expensive cars, pre and post production heavily outweigh any income you would get from YouTube.
The videography is excellent and I genuinely ask you to show me a channel that contains that number of videos of that quality, available for free.
Even if it is £2.99, it's still cheap and relatively good value.
Once again, they are a business and they need to make money somehow....or do you think it's all one big jolly?
Finally if you don't want to pay, as mentioned before, just wait for the season to end and pay for a month of great viewing. £2.99 becomes a bargain!
Pewdipie makes stacks of cash, but all he does is video himself being an idiot. Cost free, as he seems to be a natural idiot, and he's the biggest youtuber out there. Outside of the top 50 (which are mostly gaming) you'll struggle to find anyone making "stacks of cash", but I'd love some examples.
Making money on youtube while producing real content is very difficult, and this subscription model IS the future. I have no problem with £2.49/month if we're getting a good quality Harris video weekly, and a couple of other videos a month which are worth a watch.
Sadly, I fear like driver republic, they are still ahead of the game, and £2.49 is going to be too much for most people.
Ask Shmee if he needs to charge subs.
Corridor digital, HISHE, Cinema Sins, Mojo, happy hour, petrolicious, motor trend, all doing high quality content without subs.
I suggest you look at the following before comparing to /DRIVE.
http://corporate.discovery.com/brands/internationa...
Discovery are a huge corporation and the content on Buzzfeed is generally DM grade junk...I've never heard of the others.
£25 per year is next to nothing IF they dramatically increase their output. They're giving away 14 days free if you subscribe which could be the clincher. Thankfully I unsubscribed when all the rumours started.
I'll give it a go and see about the quantity and quality of the content for a couple of weeks.
Welcome to the future of broadcasting.
I'll give it a go and see about the quantity and quality of the content for a couple of weeks.
Welcome to the future of broadcasting.
Edited by Ved on Wednesday 23 July 15:55
Ved said:
£25 per year is next to nothing and they're giving away 14 days free if you subscribe. Thankfully I unsubscribed when all the rumours started.
I'll give it a go and see about the quantity and quality of the content for a couple of weeks.
Welcome to the future of broadcasting.
Ad models rarely work out and are subsidised by other income streams usually. I'll give it a go and see about the quantity and quality of the content for a couple of weeks.
Welcome to the future of broadcasting.
A benefit of subscription is that as content must always pander to the income stream it will pander to the paying subscriber rather than being dictated to by advertisers in theory.
Having a choice of content that is financed directly and indirectly is good for all.
beanbag said:
Excuse me? Discovery are not charging? I need to ask Sky for a refund!
I suggest you look at the following before comparing to /DRIVE.
http://corporate.discovery.com/brands/internationa...
Discovery are a huge corporation and the content on Buzzfeed is generally DM grade junk...I've never heard of the others.
I suggest you get educated son. http://variety.com/2013/digital/news/discoverys-re...I suggest you look at the following before comparing to /DRIVE.
http://corporate.discovery.com/brands/internationa...
Discovery are a huge corporation and the content on Buzzfeed is generally DM grade junk...I've never heard of the others.
So one of the largest TV networks believes in the free to air, ad revenue model.
Just because you haven't heard of them they are instantly discounted from the arguement, despite having bigger audiences that /Drive (which also has a website)?
KarlMac said:
beanbag said:
Excuse me? Discovery are not charging? I need to ask Sky for a refund!
I suggest you look at the following before comparing to /DRIVE.
http://corporate.discovery.com/brands/internationa...
Discovery are a huge corporation and the content on Buzzfeed is generally DM grade junk...I've never heard of the others.
I suggest you get educated son. http://variety.com/2013/digital/news/discoverys-re...I suggest you look at the following before comparing to /DRIVE.
http://corporate.discovery.com/brands/internationa...
Discovery are a huge corporation and the content on Buzzfeed is generally DM grade junk...I've never heard of the others.
So one of the largest TV networks believes in the free to air, ad revenue model.
Just because you haven't heard of them they are instantly discounted from the arguement, despite having bigger audiences that /Drive (which also has a website)?
I suspect the eventual funding model will be for channels (and by which I mean ones trying to offer a range of professionally shot and presented shows, rather than one-man-band efforts like Schmee) to offer a combination of free, pay-on-demand and all-you-can-eat subscriptions.
Someone like /DRIVE can offer free shows like their weekly highlights one, and the roundtable discussion ones as they have low production values, and also offer a few free shows from the archive to show cheapskates and new viewers what they are missing.
Then the 2 different funding options will attract both the groups that are only interested in one of your many shows (eg. the Chris Harris ones) or those of us who are interested in >1 show.
The biggest problem with the current YouTube model is that they (YouTube) don't like shows imbedding their own ads or sponsorship, but want the YouTube official ads (that can be easily blocked) shown instead.
Someone like /DRIVE can offer free shows like their weekly highlights one, and the roundtable discussion ones as they have low production values, and also offer a few free shows from the archive to show cheapskates and new viewers what they are missing.
Then the 2 different funding options will attract both the groups that are only interested in one of your many shows (eg. the Chris Harris ones) or those of us who are interested in >1 show.
The biggest problem with the current YouTube model is that they (YouTube) don't like shows imbedding their own ads or sponsorship, but want the YouTube official ads (that can be easily blocked) shown instead.
The first question that springs to mind is are PH still going to have the weekly Chris Harris video? I imagine that if it is behind a paywall it will be a bit pointless.
I don't mind paying for quality content, as long as it is as seemless as watching the free content, I've had trouble watching anything a bit different to the standard free YouTube content on my smart TV, so I don't want to pay, then have to watch it on a smaller screen. As has already been mentioned, there are also plenty of other people producing quality content for free, so what are Drive going to do better?
I don't mind paying for quality content, as long as it is as seemless as watching the free content, I've had trouble watching anything a bit different to the standard free YouTube content on my smart TV, so I don't want to pay, then have to watch it on a smaller screen. As has already been mentioned, there are also plenty of other people producing quality content for free, so what are Drive going to do better?
As much as I enjoy Chris' videos, I will not be subscribing to this just to see them. Mainly because I have no desire to open a Life Invader account with YouTube/Google+ which means I have no means to subscribe to any channels.
Shame but there you go. I'm sure no one will lose any sleep. Best of luck Chris. Keep up the good work and try not to sell yourself out!
Shame but there you go. I'm sure no one will lose any sleep. Best of luck Chris. Keep up the good work and try not to sell yourself out!
They posted a new trailer and a producer spilled some beans on Drive+:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sjocyWhVcjc
The last comment suggests to me that a fair bit of the /Drive+ content will be NBC copyrighted content, in other words TV reruns.
Adieu /Drive.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sjocyWhVcjc
jasonbordeaux said:
[/DRIVE+](YouTube.com/driveplus) - All the great /DRIVE content. No ads. Just $3.99/month or $39.99 for the year. Free 14-day trial.
[/DRIVE](YouTube.com/drive) will still offer free short form content like TEST /DRIVES and others.
[b]/DRIVE+ will have all of the longer form featured content like /CHRIS HARRIS ON CARS & /TUNED and many more.
NOTE (for those outside the USA): YouTube in some counties don't handle/allow paid subscription such as /DRIVE+. The best work around for those who run into issue is to use something like hola.org (VPN) to subscribe. This is outside /DRIVE's control.[/b]
Looks like the "interesting" content will cost money. [/DRIVE](YouTube.com/drive) will still offer free short form content like TEST /DRIVES and others.
[b]/DRIVE+ will have all of the longer form featured content like /CHRIS HARRIS ON CARS & /TUNED and many more.
NOTE (for those outside the USA): YouTube in some counties don't handle/allow paid subscription such as /DRIVE+. The best work around for those who run into issue is to use something like hola.org (VPN) to subscribe. This is outside /DRIVE's control.[/b]
The last comment suggests to me that a fair bit of the /Drive+ content will be NBC copyrighted content, in other words TV reruns.
Adieu /Drive.
Edited by EricE on Wednesday 30th July 10:01
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