RE: Ferrari FF: PH Fleet
Discussion
3304hl said:
"And I'm not convinced they'd (the Germans)be any cheaper to run either."
b
ks! By your own admission, it's let you down twice in 10K.
"the Germans" will break less often, cost less to repair(I am quite familiar with the price of F-parts), and depreciate 1/2 as much.
Exactly what running costs are you speaking of? Psychiatry?
Tell me I'm wrong...
The FF has a 7 year warranty. It's cost me nothing in repairs. And it has depreciated far less than a new German would have during the same time/miles. You're wrong.b
ks! By your own admission, it's let you down twice in 10K."the Germans" will break less often, cost less to repair(I am quite familiar with the price of F-parts), and depreciate 1/2 as much.
Exactly what running costs are you speaking of? Psychiatry?
Tell me I'm wrong...
Chris Harris said:
3304hl said:
"And I'm not convinced they'd (the Germans)be any cheaper to run either."
bks! By your own admission, it's let you down twice in 10K.
"the Germans" will break less often, cost less to repair(I am quite familiar with the price of F-parts), and depreciate 1/2 as much.
Exactly what running costs are you speaking of? Psychiatry?
Tell me I'm wrong...
The FF has a 7 year warranty. It's cost me nothing in repairs. And it has depreciated far less than a new German would have during the same time/miles. You're wrong.b
ks! By your own admission, it's let you down twice in 10K."the Germans" will break less often, cost less to repair(I am quite familiar with the price of F-parts), and depreciate 1/2 as much.
Exactly what running costs are you speaking of? Psychiatry?
Tell me I'm wrong...
suffolk009 said:
Comparing new German and s/h Italian depreciation rates is hardly a fair game.
Entirely fair if you can buy a lightly used FF for similar money to a new German - which you can. It accurately reflects the way people buy cars: something new and aspirational, or something apparently unobtainable, a year or two old for similar money that requires a deep intake of breath before signing.Chris Harris said:
Entirely fair if you can buy a lightly used FF for similar money to a new German - which you can. It accurately reflects the way people buy cars: something new and aspirational, or something apparently unobtainable, a year or two old for similar money that requires a deep intake of breath before signing.
Which is exactly the discussion I had with myself.Brand new m5 or c63 black series or rapide S vs an 18month old FF with 3k miles for over 100k off list. Easy choice.
3304hl said:
"And I'm not convinced they'd (the Germans)be any cheaper to run either."
bks! By your own admission, it's let you down twice in 10K.
"the Germans" will break less often, cost less to repair(I am quite familiar with the price of F-parts), and depreciate 1/2 as much.
Exactly what running costs are you speaking of? Psychiatry?
Tell me I'm wrong...
German cars are not necessarily any more reliable, I have had 3 new RS Audi's, all have had several faults and one lunched its engine with 5k miles on the clock b
ks! By your own admission, it's let you down twice in 10K."the Germans" will break less often, cost less to repair(I am quite familiar with the price of F-parts), and depreciate 1/2 as much.
Exactly what running costs are you speaking of? Psychiatry?
Tell me I'm wrong...
At retail, the depreciation has been glacial
If this is the car up for sale now at £159,990
http://www.dicklovett.co.uk/Dealers/Ferrari/Used-C...
and, when it was acquired, according to this thread
http://www.pistonheads.com/news/default.asp?storyI...
Money is the final section - and this time I'm going to furnish you with most, but not all of the facts. It'll make the exit less emotionally damaging than the 599 experience, and should fuel some good forum conspiracy theories. I paid something more than 150, something less than 160. The deposit would buy you a new Cayman and the monthly payments are around £1,400 per month. It's going to be expensive, but from the moment I first saw an FF I've wanted one, and if it costs me several thousand to do so, then so be it. What's the point of working all-hours if you don't tick boxes?
If this is the car up for sale now at £159,990
http://www.dicklovett.co.uk/Dealers/Ferrari/Used-C...
and, when it was acquired, according to this thread
http://www.pistonheads.com/news/default.asp?storyI...
Money is the final section - and this time I'm going to furnish you with most, but not all of the facts. It'll make the exit less emotionally damaging than the 599 experience, and should fuel some good forum conspiracy theories. I paid something more than 150, something less than 160. The deposit would buy you a new Cayman and the monthly payments are around £1,400 per month. It's going to be expensive, but from the moment I first saw an FF I've wanted one, and if it costs me several thousand to do so, then so be it. What's the point of working all-hours if you don't tick boxes?
I can't really under the depreciation thing.
In 6 months of ownership you pay retail and then sell back for trade, so the 'depreciation' is all trader margin in that time. Rather painful at that level I guess.
Buy retail and sell privately then there's the real depreciation. (tough to do successfully at these prices I imagine)
In 6 months of ownership you pay retail and then sell back for trade, so the 'depreciation' is all trader margin in that time. Rather painful at that level I guess.
Buy retail and sell privately then there's the real depreciation. (tough to do successfully at these prices I imagine)
Chris Harris said:
Entirely fair if you can buy a lightly used FF for similar money to a new German - which you can. It accurately reflects the way people buy cars: something new and aspirational, or something apparently unobtainable, a year or two old for similar money that requires a deep intake of breath before signing.
Well done on sucking that breath in and doing it and also for providing the numbers so we get a rough idea of what the costs involved are.However, for a car you bought with 6k on it and and covered another 5k don't you think breaking down twice for a £300k is pretty poor? If my TVR broke down twice in 4 months of ownership you could only imagine the stick I would get, and that cost 6 times less than this!!
R11ysf said:
The car lost £120k in 3 years and then £10k in 4 months. When you look at it like that it makes perfect sense.
Hmm I suppose I thought these cars are much more milage sensitive, but then again 11000 miles isn’t that much either. Looking at the numbers like this I’d say CH got a relative bargain... the first owner not so much, even though it seems unlikely that this person paid full retail.
I guess there are a few ways at looking at chunky purchases. You could either look at it as CH has or go totally the other way.
Last year my Dad at 60 and lumped out a substantial amount of wedge on a brand new Boxster. He spec'd it as he wanted, paid for it outright (half of the morons on here would be proud) and that was it.
One way of looking at it is the cost of the car, call it £45000 or whatever a Boxster is now days. Another is to say that it's a load of cash but after 15 years or more, when he stops driving, it's only really shed a few thousand each year and it's always been, to him, a new Porsche to his spec.
Do people do the same thing with Ferraris? Do they say, yes, it's £200,000 but I'll keep it until I can breath no more so, all in, that's not bad.
Last year my Dad at 60 and lumped out a substantial amount of wedge on a brand new Boxster. He spec'd it as he wanted, paid for it outright (half of the morons on here would be proud) and that was it.
One way of looking at it is the cost of the car, call it £45000 or whatever a Boxster is now days. Another is to say that it's a load of cash but after 15 years or more, when he stops driving, it's only really shed a few thousand each year and it's always been, to him, a new Porsche to his spec.
Do people do the same thing with Ferraris? Do they say, yes, it's £200,000 but I'll keep it until I can breath no more so, all in, that's not bad.
Chris,
If it is that good then why are you getting rid? If it was the jack of all trades you could be selling a lot of your other cars, which you no longer need, to pay for it to take over their spots.
But you haven't. Instead of the jack of all trades, master of none, you have instead decided to keep a lot of cars that are masters of one trade that all add up....
The Ferrari FF is just a piece of fluff that tickles a fancy. Hence why a lot of this fluff is blowing about and making them cheap. It's never going to be considered anything apart from a niche filler.
Personally I think you should have run it until those front clutches for the FWD have to be replaced out of warranty..... they are consumables after all. Probably make an Audi DSG seem cheap.
This was just an itch you had to scratch, and you did, well done, but I do feel you are making excuses for it. It will be forgotten this time next year like the F599 when you get the next car. You are just an automobile gigolo at the end of the day.
Which is high praise indeed
Have you driven the F458 Speciale yet?
If it is that good then why are you getting rid? If it was the jack of all trades you could be selling a lot of your other cars, which you no longer need, to pay for it to take over their spots.
But you haven't. Instead of the jack of all trades, master of none, you have instead decided to keep a lot of cars that are masters of one trade that all add up....
The Ferrari FF is just a piece of fluff that tickles a fancy. Hence why a lot of this fluff is blowing about and making them cheap. It's never going to be considered anything apart from a niche filler.
Personally I think you should have run it until those front clutches for the FWD have to be replaced out of warranty..... they are consumables after all. Probably make an Audi DSG seem cheap.
This was just an itch you had to scratch, and you did, well done, but I do feel you are making excuses for it. It will be forgotten this time next year like the F599 when you get the next car. You are just an automobile gigolo at the end of the day.
Which is high praise indeed
Have you driven the F458 Speciale yet?
Chris Harris said:
suffolk009 said:
Comparing new German and s/h Italian depreciation rates is hardly a fair game.
Entirely fair if you can buy a lightly used FF for similar money to a new German - which you can. It accurately reflects the way people buy cars: something new and aspirational, or something apparently unobtainable, a year or two old for similar money that requires a deep intake of breath before signing.suffolk009 said:
Chris Harris said:
suffolk009 said:
Comparing new German and s/h Italian depreciation rates is hardly a fair game.
Entirely fair if you can buy a lightly used FF for similar money to a new German - which you can. It accurately reflects the way people buy cars: something new and aspirational, or something apparently unobtainable, a year or two old for similar money that requires a deep intake of breath before signing.You should not have bought either, rather you should have bought that big, fat, succulent and so, so sweeeet melon on a personal finance scheme.
You know you want to.
Gandahar said:
suffolk009 said:
Chris Harris said:
suffolk009 said:
Comparing new German and s/h Italian depreciation rates is hardly a fair game.
Entirely fair if you can buy a lightly used FF for similar money to a new German - which you can. It accurately reflects the way people buy cars: something new and aspirational, or something apparently unobtainable, a year or two old for similar money that requires a deep intake of breath before signing.You should not have bought either, rather you should have bought that big, fat, succulent and so, so sweeeet melon on a personal finance scheme.
You know you want to.
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