RE: Ferrari FF: PH Fleet

RE: Ferrari FF: PH Fleet

Tuesday 22nd July 2014

Ferrari FF: PH Fleet

A rather melancholy Harris looks back on a fantastic but fleeting stint with the FF



Buy a car with the express intention of using it as regularly as possible and it will sit motionless in the garage most of its life; do the same and expect to add mileage sparingly and you won't quite believe the speed with which the odometer adds numbers. For this and more besides, we thank you Mr Murphy.

Not great for something used so often!
Not great for something used so often!
Beyond all the compliments I want to lavish on the FF, the one that perhaps says the most is that I simply have to sell it. So happy have I been sat behind the massive V12 that I have raced through and beyond the mileage I was always going to allow myself. And I really had no idea I was using it so much - with over 11,000 miles now showing, it's covered nearly 6,000 miles in four months, and much as I'm a strong advocate of using cars the way the development engineers intended, the threat of seismic depreciation always lurks in the background.

There are not many people in the UK who would buy an FF to use everyday and accrue mileage in the conventional sense. I know of one on the continent that has covered 50,000km, but I couldn't afford to cover 30K miles in this car over one year and bought it in the knowledge that I have several other cars of my own and assorted test cars to help spread the mileage burden. But this proved to be a flawed strategy. When you have an FF outside the door, you tend to use the FF. An unsurprising discovery in hindsight.

FF was perfect for a European jaunt...
FF was perfect for a European jaunt...
This is the first FF trick - it makes all journeys special. It barks from start-up, the V12 sounds indescribably expensive even when it hunts for a clutch to engage first gear and from then on it just makes me smile. It seems many PHers couldn't understand why anyone would buy a four-seat Ferrari over a 458 - the answer is children. I have many of these creatures and I love the fact that I can share the whole Ferrari thing with them. The opportunities to go and drive on my own for fun are limited to weekdays, and frankly I much prefer the front-engined Ferrari species anyway.

That I happen to think the FF is one of the best looking cars on sale makes many people laugh in derision, but such is life. Without ever knowing it I seem to have contracted some kind of 'bread-van' fetish: 145 Cloverleaf, M Coupe, FF - the truncated arse does it for me.

The FF certainly sits on the outer limits of how large a performance car can be before it is rendered unusable. I never just climb into it and don't consider its sheer width. The first few miles are always spent adjusting to the fast steering and gauging your road positioning. Once there, I'm completely happy, but you never have to acclimatise in a CLS 63 or an RS6. Some will find this process part of the car's 'specialness' - I can see it both ways.

... or indeed for Harris the golfist. Superb!
... or indeed for Harris the golfist. Superb!
The very-fast-German-estatey-thing comparison is valid in the context of the used FF. It is now quite possible to spec one of those machines from new to £120K, and the cheapest FFs are now within £30K of that figure. Once Ferrari Financial Services (or Beelzebub, as they're known at chez Harris) get involved with a tasty residual, the cost of purchase is surprisingly close. The Germans are larger, more practical and cheaper to run, but as objects to own and enjoy they just don't come close. And I'm not convinced they'd be any cheaper to run either. And to reiterate, I'm talking about used FFs - dropping £300K on a new one is liable to result in some moderate depreciation (coughs for effect), but once a very rich person has swallowed that loss, the pickings are very appealing.

Reliability. Yes, that old Italian chestnut. In my care, the FF failed to complete two journeys, which is an un-stellar performance from a car of this type. Both events appear to have been the fault of the fuel system losing pressurisation- the second took several days to fix but all the work was covered under warranty. I suppose each time I pop the bonnet I'm struck by just how many sensors and widgets there are to potentially go wrong. Factor in the immense heat that the V12 generates against the fact the car spent several days in sub-zero temperatures and you have a very harsh environment. Still, it's the same for all carmakers. Why I feel so sanguine about the FF needing an off-games note for a couple of days, where I'd be livid if a new M5 did the same can probably be explained by quoting Jules from Pulp Fiction's explanation of the pig. Personality goes a long way.

Dimensions always an issue
Dimensions always an issue
On the recent California T launch there was a bizarre 'meeting' arranged for some journos with Ferrari CEO Amedeo Felisa. The Papal audience was about as unrelaxing as you could imagine, but The Boss was surprisingly open with his thoughts on Ferrari's GT cars. He agreed with me that the FF's exhaust is too loud on start up and under full load when the valves are open. He also agreed that the tyre noise at the rear axle made travelling in the back a little more wearisome than was strictly ideal. But he offered a rare grin when I said I thought it was a very special car and outrageously fast for a four-seater - he just nodded: "I know."

I also told him that I though the fuel tank was too small and its positioning spoiled the load space. "What do you think of the new California?" he replied, looking into the space over my left shoulder, giving me the clearest indication possible that he'd had enough of my FF feedback.

Hopefully more on the other car to follow!
Hopefully more on the other car to follow!
Great satisfaction comes from knowing that I've really used this car to the fullness of its abilities. It's cruised beyond 180mph with people sat in the back and the boot crammed full of luggage. At those speeds, it's the most stable car I've driven. It's carted muddy mountain bikes, mewling children and several loads of shopping. In TDF blue it always looked perfect to me and its departure has left a rather sad hole in my life that is only compensated by the fact that I no longer have to give FFS £1,500 every month for the pleasure of keeping it (I know the PH finance police won't sanction any suggestion of ownership with just £45K of equity!)

So, to anyone considering something spacious, conventionally German and super-heated, or maybe a 991 Turbo, I'd implore them to try an FF before making a purchase. It has space for four adults (but not all their luggage) and it looks, feels and drives like a £300,000 car. Because it was a £300,000 car which you can now own for a little more than half the original asking price.

It isn't perfect. The double DIN sat-nav thing is a bit crap in a £20K Fiat, the fuel filler thing is pants and occasionally bits of trim make a break for freedom, but who cares?

It's miles better than my old 612, and I haven't once thought about the 599 since I took delivery.

Better to have loved and lost, and all that.


FACT SHEET
Car:
 2012 Ferrari FF
Bought: February 2014
Mileage: 11,609
Purchase price: Quite a lot
Last month at a glance: Having pondered doing a Ferris Bueller on the big number on the odometer Harris faces the inevitable and regretfully chops the FF in

Previous reports:
Harris makes the man maths work and welcomes Ferrari no.2
FF's 'everyday Ferrari' thing means it's getting used ... every day

Author
Discussion

nicfaz

Original Poster:

432 posts

230 months

Tuesday 22nd July 2014
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Love it. I'm off to see what kids are fetching on ebay...

Davey S2

13,095 posts

254 months

Tuesday 22nd July 2014
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I'd have one of these as a daily when my numbers come up.

Perfect colour as well.

Is it going to be replaced with anything?

Mavican

135 posts

164 months

Tuesday 22nd July 2014
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Still not sure how you get to spread yourself amongst all your car's to justify them, but well played! The question is, whats next?

johnnyreggae

2,936 posts

160 months

Tuesday 22nd July 2014
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Now the real question is how how much did it cost to own as well as the £ 1500 per month - depreciation plus dealer spread ?

hwajones

775 posts

181 months

Tuesday 22nd July 2014
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Legend.

5678

6,146 posts

227 months

Tuesday 22nd July 2014
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johnnyreggae said:
Now the real question is how how much did it cost to own as well as the £ 1500 per month - depreciation plus dealer spread ?
+1 Not to use for any st slinging, but purely out of morbid curiosity!

Quickmoose

4,494 posts

123 months

Tuesday 22nd July 2014
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Despite the MASSIVE grinning 'face' it is utterly, utterly gorgeous.
I can't comprehend the ownership costs...to me, it's the same as thinking about infinity, or death or the number of stars in the sky... frown

vescaegg

25,541 posts

167 months

Tuesday 22nd July 2014
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5678 said:
johnnyreggae said:
Now the real question is how how much did it cost to own as well as the £ 1500 per month - depreciation plus dealer spread ?
+1 Not to use for any st slinging, but purely out of morbid curiosity!
I believe he said his 599 cost £10k for 10 months (excluding consumables) all in. Frankly, I thought that was astounding value. Even if the FF was £20k for 6 months, still not too bad for what it is I dont think.

MarJay

2,173 posts

175 months

Tuesday 22nd July 2014
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Is it just me or does overreaching so drastically for a car seem rather pointless? Yes, yes I'm aware this is Pistonheads and not Mumsnet, but the amount of special cars you can buy for half the price of this is immense. For me the idea of spending £100k on a car is beyond comprehension... I shuddered at the price listed for the F type S coupe (£80,000 base price, if you're interested... but that is brand new!) and even spending £30k seems like a remote dream that I'll never achieve.

I don't even think it's all that. It's not especially good looking to my eyes, and the aforementioned Jaguar is in many ways better looking, and in terms of how special it is per pound you spend, I'd say it's probably better value too.

So what do we reckon the depreciation is on a used Jag F type?

sc0tt

18,041 posts

201 months

Tuesday 22nd July 2014
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What will Sir. Chris' next Noble steed be?

Studio117

4,250 posts

191 months

Tuesday 22nd July 2014
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sc0tt said:
What will Sir. Chris' next Noble steed be?
Perhaps a small slice of respect would be forthcoming. You are a mod after all. rolleyes

sc0tt

18,041 posts

201 months

Tuesday 22nd July 2014
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Studio117 said:
sc0tt said:
What will Sir. Chris' next Noble steed be?
Perhaps a small slice of respect would be forthcoming. You are a mod after all. rolleyes
I'm not and due to Legal reasons I must inform you of this fact.

I love Chris' Italian slice of classy Business cruiser. Shame it has to go.

Pls Respond.

Studio117

4,250 posts

191 months

Tuesday 22nd July 2014
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sc0tt said:
Studio117 said:
sc0tt said:
What will Sir. Chris' next Noble steed be?
Perhaps a small slice of respect would be forthcoming. You are a mod after all. rolleyes
I'm not and due to Legal reasons I must inform you of this fact.

I love Chris' Italian slice of classy Business cruiser. Shame it has to go.

Pls Respond.
I don't think Sir Chirs of Harris would appreciate your tone. The classy gentleman should never stoop down to this level.

court

1,487 posts

216 months

Tuesday 22nd July 2014
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johnnyreggae said:
Now the real question is how how much did it cost to own as well as the £ 1500 per month - depreciation plus dealer spread ?
I presumed that because Chris mentioned 'residual' in the article that it was on a PCP or similar scheme. I wonder how much deposit for that monthly rental...

Megaflow

9,405 posts

225 months

Tuesday 22nd July 2014
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MarJay said:
Is it just me or does overreaching so drastically for a car seem rather pointless? Yes, yes I'm aware this is Pistonheads and not Mumsnet, but the amount of special cars you can buy for half the price of this is immense. For me the idea of spending £100k on a car is beyond comprehension... I shuddered at the price listed for the F type S coupe (£80,000 base price, if you're interested... but that is brand new!) and even spending £30k seems like a remote dream that I'll never achieve.

I don't even think it's all that. It's not especially good looking to my eyes, and the aforementioned Jaguar is in many ways better looking, and in terms of how special it is per pound you spend, I'd say it's probably better value too.

So what do we reckon the depreciation is on a used Jag F type?
Ah, the depressive types are here after just 9 posts.

Pressumably you have intimate knowledge of Chris' financials to comment on him overreaching himself? Thought not...

On a more positive note, epic man maths!

thumbup

I wish I had enough wedding tackle to do the same on a Vantage...

Edited by Megaflow on Tuesday 22 July 11:47

wolves_wanderer

12,387 posts

237 months

Tuesday 22nd July 2014
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MarJay said:
Is it just me or does overreaching so drastically for a car seem rather pointless?
Who said anyone has over-reached? You're a long time dead and I don't see anything wrong with borrowing to run something special.

garypotter

1,502 posts

150 months

Tuesday 22nd July 2014
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Well done Chris, had one worn the tshirt and moving on to a new toy, great story keep em coming.


Dave Hedgehog

14,550 posts

204 months

Tuesday 22nd July 2014
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Quickmoose said:
Despite the MASSIVE grinning 'face' it is utterly, utterly gorgeous.
I can't comprehend the ownership costs...to me, it's the same as thinking about infinity, or death or the number of stars in the sky... frown
this

i detest the grinning face but everything else is perfect, fantastic colour for it as well, and the noise cloud9


AyBee

10,533 posts

202 months

Tuesday 22nd July 2014
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It'll be sad not to get more updates on this car - love the FF cloud9

g3org3y

20,627 posts

191 months

Tuesday 22nd July 2014
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Always been a fan of the FF. I thought that Harry Metcalf's video in which he takes it for a spin on a field and away for a weekend skiing demonstrates its capability as a daily driver.

garypotter said:
Well done Chris, had one worn the tshirt and moving on to a new toy, great story keep em coming.
You're not part of the official Ferrari club until you have the hat.