6 or 4 cylinder diesel?

6 or 4 cylinder diesel?

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clowesy

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293 posts

121 months

Tuesday 22nd July 2014
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I'm currently helping my parents find a new car and after quite a few test drives they have decided on either a Mercedes E Class estate or a Jaguar XF Sportbrake. Whilst they like both cars in seemingly equal measure they aren't sure on which engine to go for in either. Due to my Dad loosing his job through illness a few years ago they were forced to sell their mk2 Focus RS and swapped to a more wallet friendly 1.0 Ecoboost Focus estate. With things now looking up they have decided to get a new car but want to keep the practicality of the estate but move a little more upmarket. They only cover approx. 15K miles per year and my Dad will use the car for business which will involve driving across the city a few times each day. In their current car he gets at best 35-38 mpg; not bumper to bumper traffic but plenty of traffic lights etc. Now, they like the 3.0 V6 diesels in both cars but are concerned they'll get far worse fuel economy than they currently get and wonder whether they should just settle for the 4 cylinder option. Has anyone any experience using either an E350 or XF 3.0d (240) for this kind of driving?

CYMR0

3,940 posts

200 months

Tuesday 22nd July 2014
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Can't comment on the six cylinders but I'd say that the 4-cylinder diesels would be 10-20% better than the Focus Ecoboost (with the delta increasing on longer trips), while offering broadly similar performance when pressing on (less rev range and more weight offset by more torque).

It really would be a guess but I would think that the six-cylinder diesel would do better than the Focus on long trips but be 10-20% worse on shorter ones, probably meaning that it's a wash overall.

herewego

8,814 posts

213 months

Tuesday 22nd July 2014
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http://carfueldata.direct.gov.uk/

It is typical for 4 cylinder engines to be more economical than those with 6 cylinders.

Edited by herewego on Tuesday 22 July 20:47

fatboy b

9,492 posts

216 months

Tuesday 22nd July 2014
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With that sort of driving, there won't be much in it with the Jags. I don't really care for Mercs, but I'd guess they'd be similar.

Matt UK

17,687 posts

200 months

Tuesday 22nd July 2014
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If they need to watch the pennies then the 4s are fine, nothing wrong with them at all.

If they want to indulge a little and enjoy a more premium driving experience, stretch to the 6s.

A spreadsheet will show the maths involved. I'd work on 40 and 35 mpg.

Willy Nilly

12,511 posts

167 months

Tuesday 22nd July 2014
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The cheapest option would be to keep the Focus.

clowesy

Original Poster:

293 posts

121 months

Tuesday 22nd July 2014
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Their current Focus is on PCP and due to end shortly. They don't want another.

A900ss

3,248 posts

152 months

Tuesday 22nd July 2014
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Although not the cars you mention I can advise that the latest 5 series gets about 46MPG in 520d form and about 40MPG in 530d (6 cylinder) form for my driving.

Hopefully that'll give you some indication of a 6 v 4 cylinder diesel in a large car. (PS - both the 520d and 530d are 8 speed autos).

Roundozo

111 posts

120 months

Wednesday 23rd July 2014
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Hold on, how many miles will he drive in an average day? Diesel isn't worth it if its short journeys. You'll just wear out the DPF and that'll cost ££££ to replace. Unless your doing high mileage petrol is the way to go.

people buy diesel on the misconception they are cheap to run because of the high MPG but as soon as you start using them for short journeys and stop start traffic you'll soon clog the engine with carbon (older diesels) or damage the DPF as it wont charge properly.

jamieduff1981

8,024 posts

140 months

Wednesday 23rd July 2014
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If they want to move upmarket, move upmarket. The 4-pot rattlers are aimed at fleet buyers. I despise modern diesels, but if they really need a diesel then the 6-pot will preserve a lot more of the feel and refinement a big, powerful luxurious car should have.

I've only really driven V6s and V8s for the past decade for most of my milage. I got used to them and now they feel normal. I've add the odd 4-pot in and about and you can really feel them shuddering and shaking by comparison. I was shocked at the 2.2d XF when I was picked up in one as part of the dealer's collect/drop off service. As 4-bangers go it's a good engine, but stepping down from more cylinders the 4-pot was conspicuous by its inherent vibration and lack of refinement. No amount of sequential injection and balancer shafts can get away from the fact that there are fewer power strokes per revolution - and it really shows.

Same story for an E60something 520d courtesy car I had. It was ok, but the engine really made the car feel cheap and downmarket.

If coming up from a small, cheaper sort of car someone might think "rubbish" but coming down from nicer engines it is very apparent.

johnbanks

19 posts

221 months

Wednesday 23rd July 2014
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Four cylinder diesels are plain nasty unless you need them for company car tax reasons IMHO. I'm talking 2013/14 models here, based on recent shopping which ended up with a six cylinder diesel, not because of miles but because of availability/resale.

Even in the new S class the 4 cylinder diesel in the hybrid is said to sound rough, and they certainly do in 5 series/A6/E class compared to the sixes. A smooth 4 cylinder petrol with lots of sound deadening can sound acceptable, a 6 cylinder diesel can actually sound nice. If the economics add up, a 6 cylinder petrol is a nice thing, especially if boosted.

johnbanks

19 posts

221 months

Wednesday 23rd July 2014
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I cannot agree more with jamieduff1981 who posted just before me.

dbdb

4,324 posts

173 months

Wednesday 23rd July 2014
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I agree with jamieduff1981 too.

jimi

521 posts

263 months

Wednesday 23rd July 2014
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I have had a 350, 250 and 220. The difference between the 4 and 6 cylinder engines is nearly all in the power delivery. In terms of the mpg I only noticed a couple of mpg difference 38mpg in the 350 and 40mpg in the 250 and the 220. This is a mixed cycle 80 miles a day A road, B road, dual carriageway and a little bit in town.

The V6 is much smoother and quieter and has better power delivery. The I4 is less refined but cheaper to buy.

thatdude

2,655 posts

127 months

Wednesday 23rd July 2014
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"City" "Diesel"

all adds up to (dont forget to carry the 1)

Blocked DPF issues.

Consider this point wisely in vehicular purchasing.

donaircooleone

427 posts

177 months

Wednesday 23rd July 2014
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5 cylinders are cooler wink

Volvo?

Triumph Man

8,687 posts

168 months

Wednesday 23rd July 2014
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I too agree with JamieDuff. I'm probably going to need something better on fuel for a significantly longer commute, and I would rather have an older 6 cylinder diesel 5 series than a newer 4 cylinder diesel 5 series.

V88Dicky

7,305 posts

183 months

Wednesday 23rd July 2014
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How about one of the Blue Efficiency E-Classes? Their petrol V6s are very economical and would be more suited to City driving.

Example;

http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/2014...

andyalan10

404 posts

137 months

Wednesday 23rd July 2014
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For those of you saying "buy the petrol" or "buy the six", a quick reality check.

XF Sportbrake 2.2d from 31945, 3.0d from 38365, petrol from 82495 (XF-RS only petrol)

Interestingly E-Class does have low cost petrols, and the premium for a six cylinder diesel is less.

Andy

powerstroke

10,283 posts

160 months

Wednesday 23rd July 2014
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johnbanks said:
Four cylinder diesels are plain nasty unless you need them for company car tax reasons IMHO. I'm talking 2013/14 models here, based on recent shopping which ended up with a six cylinder diesel, not because of miles but because of availability/resale.

Even in the new S class the 4 cylinder diesel in the hybrid is said to sound rough, and they certainly do in 5 series/A6/E class compared to the sixes. A smooth 4 cylinder petrol with lots of sound deadening can sound acceptable, a 6 cylinder diesel can actually sound nice. If the economics add up, a 6 cylinder petrol is a nice thing, especially if boosted.
4 cylinder diesel or petrol are equally dull unless modified ,
V8 or 5 cylinder for me ,the Volvo 5 pot diesels sound great and go well
Good car too IMHO..