RE: Porsche Cayenne 'changed slightly'

[KFC]

MaserBob said:

I guess you know what a low range gearbox and diff lock are. FFRR = Full Fat Range Rover

I knew what FFRR was. Don't have a clue what a low range gearbox or a diff lock do, or why I'd want one.

[Clivey]

KFC said:

I knew what FFRR was. Don't have a clue what a low range gearbox or a diff lock do, or why I'd want one.

So, you don't use yours off-road. What's the point you're trying to make?

[E65Ross]

I think his point is that at least 99% of cayenne owners buying from new couldn't give a fk about diff lock and low range gearbox, and wouldn't even notice those features not being there.

[Clivey]

E65Ross said:

I think his point is that at least 99% of cayenne owners buying from new couldn't give a fk about diff lock and low range gearbox, and wouldn't even notice those features not being there.

We know that...just as 99% of supercar owners will never drive them at 10/10ths. I'm not sure whether that says more about the cars or the punters, however.

[E65Ross]

Clivey said:

E65Ross said:

I think his point is that at least 99% of cayenne owners buying from new couldn't give a fk about diff lock and low range gearbox, and wouldn't even notice those features not being there.

We know that...just as 99% of supercar owners will never drive them at 10/10ths. I'm not sure whether that says more about the cars or the punters, however.

What an odd comment. Most people would buy a cayenne, I suspect, because it's quiet, comfortable, refined, decent to drive, spacious and has a half decent interior and a good badge. Not being able to go off road doesn't change that.

And I bet at some points owners of supercars will use them at 10/10ths in one way or another.... All you need for that is to use full throttle or slam the brakes on. Because they don't fling it round a corner at the limit doesn't mean having a high performance car is pointless, you can still enjoy its main qualities.... As you can a cayenne without a locking diff or low range gearbox.

[KFC]

Clivey said:

So, you don't use yours off-road. What's the point you're trying to make?

E65Ross said:

I think his point is that at least 99% of cayenne owners buying from new couldn't give a fk about diff lock and low range gearbox, and wouldn't even notice those features not being there.

This. I reckon the only people with an opinion on this (or even know wtf it means) are people who either can't afford a Cayenne, or don't want one. They're non customers. People like me who're actually paying for them, in general have no idea what it is, or why we'd want it.

E65Ross said:

What an odd comment. Most people would buy a cayenne, I suspect, because it's quiet, comfortable, refined, decent to drive, spacious and has a half decent interior and a good badge. Not being able to go off road doesn't change that.

Yup, its a nice car to drive. Plus I feel that my family are safer in a bigger car like this, and it has more than enough space to do airport runs or put the dog cage in the back. All in I think its a great car, and its never been off road once. If I wanted to go off road I'd rent a buggy thing or buy an old Land Rover or similar... i'm not going to risk my nice porsche charging around fields or ditches in it.

[Clivey]

E65Ross said:

What an odd comment. Most people would buy a cayenne, I suspect, because it's quiet, comfortable, refined, decent to drive, spacious and has a half decent interior and a good badge. Not being able to go off road doesn't change that.

I didn't say it couldn't go off road (you don't need either of those things and indeed some LR products don't have them as standard but they do make a difference) and I do understand SUVs but if you're not going to make use of the core qualities (fair enough if it's more practical for you than other types of car), you may as well buy a fast Estate instead and enjoy a better drive. I suspect however that most of these things are bought "for the badge", "imagine" or whatever you want to call it and said estate just doesn't have the pose factor.

E65Ross said:

And I bet at some points owners of supercars will use them at 10/10ths in one way or another.... All you need for that is to use full throttle or slam the brakes on. Because they don't fling it round a corner at the limit doesn't mean having a high performance car is pointless, you can still enjoy its main qualities.... As you can a cayenne without a locking diff or low range gearbox.

You know I didn't mean brief periods of acceleration/braking. As for the main qualities of a Cayenne...I suppose that depends on who you are & what you're looking to do with it.

[EricE]

The Cayenne still has a self locking center differential and electronic differential lock on the axles.
With the torque of the V8 diesel, who the hell needs a reduction gear lower than first? This guy makes it sound like a Cayenne can’t climb a mole hill.

I dare you to find a second car who can pull off this combination:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GMXhhxWnA58
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bRvUH1sJvEQ

[Clivey]

EricE said:

The Cayenne still has a self locking center differential and electronic differential lock on the axles.
With the torque of the V8 diesel, who the hell needs a reduction gear lower than first? This guy makes it sound like a Cayenne can’t climb a mole hill.

I dare you to find a second car who can pull off this combination:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GMXhhxWnA58
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bRvUH1sJvEQ

That first video: Any vehicle with sufficient clearance, AWD and 4-wheel traction control should be able to do that. Again, where did I say the Cayenne can't go off-road? Part of the appeal (yes, for some ) is that it can. I've not had a look at the tech specs of the new car but If the hardware is as you say, it'll be great with the right tyres on it. Right...off to have a look now!

[KFC]

Clivey said:

I didn't say it couldn't go off road (you don't need either of those things and indeed some LR products don't have them as standard but they do make a difference) and I do understand SUVs but if you're not going to make use of the core qualities (fair enough if it's more practical for you than other types of car), you may as well buy a fast Estate instead and enjoy a better drive. I suspect however that most of these things are bought "for the badge", "imagine" or whatever you want to call it and said estate just doesn't have the pose factor.

For me I just bought it because I liked the look/sound of it. I had went to buy a Dacia Duster but got a bit carried away, it was just a spur of the moment purchase really.

I don't need a better drive, I have other cars for fun drives. What I do need is a car that can take several suitcases and 4 adults, or a large dog cage. If I can get all that with a Porsche badge and all the toys included, then whats not to like. £24k for a 3 year old Cayenne GTS that had one owner and had only ever been serviced at a Porsche main dealer.

[Clivey]

KFC said:

For me I just bought it because I liked the look/sound of it. I had went to buy a Dacia Duster but got a bit carried away, it was just a spur of the moment purchase really.

Went out for a Duster and came back with a Cayenne. OK, hats off to you!

KFC said:

I don't need a better drive, I have other cars for fun drives. What I do need is a car that can take several suitcases and 4 adults, or a large dog cage. If I can get all that with a Porsche badge and all the toys included, then whats not to like. £24k for a 3 year old Cayenne GTS that had one owner and had only ever been serviced at a Porsche main dealer.

Is that all (seems cheap)? What was the original RRP on that?

[KFC]

I've no idea what the original RRP was on it, I never asked. They're £67k in the UK, before you add any options. Presumably most people end up very low 70's?

[clarki]

In the beginning they looked terrible and ugly...

...now they just look old and ugly...probably because they are??!!

[KFC]

clarki said:

In the beginning they looked terrible and ugly...

...now they just look old and ugly...probably because they are??!!

Which car do you think looks better, that ticks all the same boxes as far as carrying 4 passengers & luggage, can carry a large dog cage, good build quality, v8 engine, prestigious brand?

[RB_987s]

So back to topic....reminds me of the Top Gear spoof many years back about the 996 and 997 looking so similar

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qNwNMgT-adc

[Cobnapint]

GTS440 said:

As a 2012 MY Cayenne Diesel owner I am happy that the facelift is mild to say the least.

Such a great car to drive and live with.

If it ain't broke.......

Same here, love mine to bits. Prefer it over previous 911's even.

[Cobnapint]

CHIEF said:

Subtle but nice changes.

Rear looks a lot better but I'm a tad dissapointed with the meagre power increase of the 3 litre diesel.

Looking at the power/torque/@rpm specs, it's the same engine as the Macan S Diesel.

Very surprised they didn't go with the 300bhp lump, they must be saving it for the new MY2017 version.

[E65Ross]

Clivey said:

E65Ross said:

What an odd comment. Most people would buy a cayenne, I suspect, because it's quiet, comfortable, refined, decent to drive, spacious and has a half decent interior and a good badge. Not being able to go off road doesn't change that.

I didn't say it couldn't go off road (you don't need either of those things and indeed some LR products don't have them as standard but they do make a difference) and I do understand SUVs but if you're not going to make use of the core qualities (fair enough if it's more practical for you than other types of car), you may as well buy a fast Estate instead and enjoy a better drive. I suspect however that most of these things are bought "for the badge", "imagine" or whatever you want to call it and said estate just doesn't have the pose factor.

You do realise that 99% (well, I reckon more than that) of Cayenne owners couldn't give a toss if it drives well off road, right?

Have you been in a big SUV and compared them to their estate siblings (which Porsche estate would you buy instead?) such as an X5 vs a 5 series; due to the ride height, shocks/spring settings etc they often ride better and some people just prefer the driving position; just because they don't go off road does that mean that the 99% of people who wwant to buy them should compromise on WHAT THEY WANT from a car and get an estate instead? And if they do buy it for the badge/image etc, what's wrong with that? If that floats their boat then fair enough.

[Clivey]

E65Ross said:

You do realise that 99% (well, I reckon more than that) of Cayenne owners couldn't give a toss if it drives well off road, right?

Yes. We've been over this.

E65Ross said:

Have you been in a big SUV and compared them to their estate siblings

Yes.

E65Ross said:

which Porsche estate would you buy instead?)

Why does it have to be a Porsche?

E65Ross said:

such as an X5 vs a 5 series; due to the ride height, shocks/spring settings etc they often ride better and some people just prefer the driving position; just because they don't go off road does that mean that the 99% of people who wwant to buy them should compromise on WHAT THEY WANT from a car and get an estate instead? And if they do buy it for the badge/image etc, what's wrong with that? If that floats their boat then fair enough.

I don't really care what others drive...up to a point. When vacuous people's demands dictate what's available for the rest of us, that presents a problem.

[KFC]

Clivey said:

When vacuous people's demands dictate what's available for the rest of us, that presents a problem.

Looking at your current/previous cars, would it be unreasonable to say you can't afford a Porsche?

Looking at your fantasy garage, would it be unreasonable to say if you won the euro millions tomorrow, a Cayenne wouldn't feature anywhere at all on your wanted list?


As far as Porsche are concerned, you seem to be a non customer. Therefore its absolutely pointless adding features that you're blabbing on about, when actual paying customers would seem to have no idea what they are.