RE: Porsche Cayenne 'changed slightly'
Discussion
KFC said:
I've had a look at the newest one currently available in the local Porsche dealer and it didn't look different height wise to my 2009 one. I wasn't comparing them side by side though... but they look near identical to me.
It may well be the shape that is descriptive but it looks lower at a glance. clarki said:
KFC said:
Which car do you think looks better, that ticks all the same boxes as far as carrying 4 passengers & luggage, can carry a large dog cage, good build quality, v8 engine, prestigious brand?
Easy peasie...i'll have a RR Sport please...clarki said:
KFC said:
Which car do you think looks better, that ticks all the same boxes as far as carrying 4 passengers & luggage, can carry a large dog cage, good build quality, v8 engine, prestigious brand?
Easy peasie...i'll have a RR Sport please...Can't really speak for the new Cayenne, but the old one was pretty comfy.
I can understand why - If you want an every day car and want the high driving position and off road toys to mess around with occasionally then why not. Seen a few pulling boats so added bonus there if you need it.
Range Rover Sport was a much nicer place to sit in however.
Proper Range Rover is the one that tempts me most, certainly the most tasteful SUV.
If you want a car for serious off roading then there is always the Defender.
I can understand why - If you want an every day car and want the high driving position and off road toys to mess around with occasionally then why not. Seen a few pulling boats so added bonus there if you need it.
Range Rover Sport was a much nicer place to sit in however.
Proper Range Rover is the one that tempts me most, certainly the most tasteful SUV.
If you want a car for serious off roading then there is always the Defender.
I was fortunate enough to own a 958 turbo S and it was an amazing car, the interior is one of the best Porsche makes and the way it drives it way ahead of any of its competition IMHO.
If the new one is an improvement on the current one which it clearly is if only by margins it will be brilliant. Very tempted by a new turbo.
If the new one is an improvement on the current one which it clearly is if only by margins it will be brilliant. Very tempted by a new turbo.
Porsche really, really needs to work on a Turbo Hybrid for countries with idiotic tax systems.
For example here in Austria a new Turbo costs +32% in import taxes, that is around £32000 for a Turbo with a only a few options.
Since the tax is calculated based on NEDC consumption, a hybrid would drop that to 0% or £0, effectively making a Turbo Hybrid £32000 cheaper than the "normal" Turbo.
(just like a 918 Spyder costs £0 import tax but a new GTI costs £4000)
Alternatively they could just fix the NEDC to give realistic numbers with plugin-hybrids but that’s a different story.
For example here in Austria a new Turbo costs +32% in import taxes, that is around £32000 for a Turbo with a only a few options.
Since the tax is calculated based on NEDC consumption, a hybrid would drop that to 0% or £0, effectively making a Turbo Hybrid £32000 cheaper than the "normal" Turbo.
(just like a 918 Spyder costs £0 import tax but a new GTI costs £4000)
Alternatively they could just fix the NEDC to give realistic numbers with plugin-hybrids but that’s a different story.
I have a April 2014 3.0 diesel car, its fast enough very comfortable, great being high up, good mpg and luckily we can all enjoy different car looks...i like it.....its better IMHO than my old X5 and almost 50% better on fuel....I also have a proper sports car when needed so its perfect for my needs
In my opinion, a good looking car subtly improved aesthetically.
Interesting to read the Range Rover v Cayenne debate. We owned a first generation Cayenne Turbo. Bought to sugar the pill of getting rid of a Boxster S to accommodate young children and the associated baggage. Was reluctant to test drive initially due to a combination of image and aesthetics. After looking at a supercharged FFRR (too barge-like), RS6 Avant (quite cramped interior) and RS4 Avant (boot too small for our needs) a reluctantly test drove a Turbo S in torrential rain. Despite the insane performance it was very comfortable and docile when driven without your right foot to the floor. Felt car like: sat in it rather than on it.
Bought second hand (original owner took a massive hit: residuals not as solid as the current model) and kept it for 5 years. Easily the best car I've ever owned and I've had a few interesting cars. With two kids in the back the performance was rarely used to its full potential, but the build quality, interior comfort and trim levels and space made it a fantastic family car. MPG was a little eye watering but before we sold it we worked out how much extra we'd paid in fuel over the 50k miles we owned it: the performance, sound as well as the level of kit we got on the car more than compensated. The handling on A roads and country lanes always put a smile on your face.
I took the car off road a few times. With winter tyres it was hugely capable, and even with 20" summer wheels it could handle some muddy farm tracks without a problem. The limiting factor was usually my concerns about ripping something off the underside of the car or trashing the wheels rather then traction or clearance.
When we reluctanctantly replaced the car last year we opted for a Range Rover TDV8 (granted, a late L322) interior is nice, image is much better but dynamically my 5 year older Cayenne Turbo embarrasses it. The seats are wide and less supportive, the body wallows and rolls into corners and I don't think the interior is any better than the Cayenne in materials and quality of finish. I really wanted to love the Range Rover but it feels a little like David Moyes after Sir Alex: it had an impossible job- a truly hard act to follow.
I' know my experience of ownership is only two cars, neither current models. Living in Cheshire- stereotypical home of the SUV, I have lots of friends who have owned several of these cars. Several of them are hugely loyal to the Range Rover marque and have owned several models, both full-fat and sport. Interestingly, they have never owned a Cayenne. A couple of friends that have bought a Cayenne after several Range Rovers have commented of the vastly superior day-to-day dynamics of the car and vowed they won't go back to a Range Rover.
In my view the Range Rover definitely had its place and is an amazing vehicle, and will outperform the Cayenne in the extremes of off road challenges. For my needs, the Cayenne wins every time. We are planning to buy another Cayenne in the near future.
Interesting to read the Range Rover v Cayenne debate. We owned a first generation Cayenne Turbo. Bought to sugar the pill of getting rid of a Boxster S to accommodate young children and the associated baggage. Was reluctant to test drive initially due to a combination of image and aesthetics. After looking at a supercharged FFRR (too barge-like), RS6 Avant (quite cramped interior) and RS4 Avant (boot too small for our needs) a reluctantly test drove a Turbo S in torrential rain. Despite the insane performance it was very comfortable and docile when driven without your right foot to the floor. Felt car like: sat in it rather than on it.
Bought second hand (original owner took a massive hit: residuals not as solid as the current model) and kept it for 5 years. Easily the best car I've ever owned and I've had a few interesting cars. With two kids in the back the performance was rarely used to its full potential, but the build quality, interior comfort and trim levels and space made it a fantastic family car. MPG was a little eye watering but before we sold it we worked out how much extra we'd paid in fuel over the 50k miles we owned it: the performance, sound as well as the level of kit we got on the car more than compensated. The handling on A roads and country lanes always put a smile on your face.
I took the car off road a few times. With winter tyres it was hugely capable, and even with 20" summer wheels it could handle some muddy farm tracks without a problem. The limiting factor was usually my concerns about ripping something off the underside of the car or trashing the wheels rather then traction or clearance.
When we reluctanctantly replaced the car last year we opted for a Range Rover TDV8 (granted, a late L322) interior is nice, image is much better but dynamically my 5 year older Cayenne Turbo embarrasses it. The seats are wide and less supportive, the body wallows and rolls into corners and I don't think the interior is any better than the Cayenne in materials and quality of finish. I really wanted to love the Range Rover but it feels a little like David Moyes after Sir Alex: it had an impossible job- a truly hard act to follow.
I' know my experience of ownership is only two cars, neither current models. Living in Cheshire- stereotypical home of the SUV, I have lots of friends who have owned several of these cars. Several of them are hugely loyal to the Range Rover marque and have owned several models, both full-fat and sport. Interestingly, they have never owned a Cayenne. A couple of friends that have bought a Cayenne after several Range Rovers have commented of the vastly superior day-to-day dynamics of the car and vowed they won't go back to a Range Rover.
In my view the Range Rover definitely had its place and is an amazing vehicle, and will outperform the Cayenne in the extremes of off road challenges. For my needs, the Cayenne wins every time. We are planning to buy another Cayenne in the near future.
Edited by Mefster on Tuesday 29th July 22:32
In my opinion, a good looking car subtly improved aesthetically.
Interesting to read the Range Rover v Cayenne debate. We owned a first generation Cayenne Turbo. Bought to sugar the pill of getting rid of a Boxster S to accommodate young children and the associated baggage. Was reluctant to test drive initially due to a combination of image and aesthetics. After looking at a supercharged FFRR (too barge-like), RS6 Avant (quite cramped interior) and RS4 Avant (boot too small for our needs) a reluctantly test drove a Turbo S in torrential rain. Despite the insane performance it was very comfortable and docile when driven without your right foot to the floor. Felt car like: sat in it rather than on it.
Bought second hand (original owner took a massive hit: residuals not as solid as the current model) and kept it for 5 years. Easily the best car I've ever owned and I've had a few interesting cars. With two kids in the back the performance was rarely used to its full potential, but the build quality, interior comfort and trim levels and space made it a fantastic family car. MPG was a little eye watering but before we sold it we worked out how much extra we'd paid in fuel over the 50k miles we owned it: the performance, sound as well as the level of kit we got on the car more than compensated. The handling on A roads and country lanes always put a smile on your face.
I took the car off road a few times. With winter tyres it was hugely capable, and even with 20" summer wheels it could handle some muddy farm tracks without a problem. The limiting factor was usually my concerns about ripping something off the underside of the car or trashing the wheels rather then traction or clearance.
When we reluctanctantly replaced the car last year we opted for a Range Rover TDV8 (granted, a late L322) interior is nice, image is much better but dynamically my 5 year older Cayenne Turbo embarrasses it. The seats are wide and less supportive, the body wallows and rolls into corners and I don't think the interior is any better than the Cayenne in materials and quality of finish. I really wanted to love the Range Rover but it feels a little like David Moyes after Sir Alex: it had an impossible job- a truly hard act to follow.
I' know my experience of ownership is only two cars, neither current models. Living in Cheshire- stereotypical home of the SUV, I have lots of friends who have owned several of these cars. Several of them are hugely loyal to the Range Rover marque and have owned several models, both full-fat and sport. Interestingly, they have never owned a Cayenne. A couple of friends that have bought a Cayenne after several Range Rovers have commented of the vastly superior day-to-day dynamics of the car and vowed they won't go back to a Range Rover.
In my view the Range Rover definitely had its place and is an amazing vehicle, and will outperform the Cayenne in the extremes of off road challenges. For my needs, the Cayenne wins every time. We are planning to buy another Cayenne in the near future.
Interesting to read the Range Rover v Cayenne debate. We owned a first generation Cayenne Turbo. Bought to sugar the pill of getting rid of a Boxster S to accommodate young children and the associated baggage. Was reluctant to test drive initially due to a combination of image and aesthetics. After looking at a supercharged FFRR (too barge-like), RS6 Avant (quite cramped interior) and RS4 Avant (boot too small for our needs) a reluctantly test drove a Turbo S in torrential rain. Despite the insane performance it was very comfortable and docile when driven without your right foot to the floor. Felt car like: sat in it rather than on it.
Bought second hand (original owner took a massive hit: residuals not as solid as the current model) and kept it for 5 years. Easily the best car I've ever owned and I've had a few interesting cars. With two kids in the back the performance was rarely used to its full potential, but the build quality, interior comfort and trim levels and space made it a fantastic family car. MPG was a little eye watering but before we sold it we worked out how much extra we'd paid in fuel over the 50k miles we owned it: the performance, sound as well as the level of kit we got on the car more than compensated. The handling on A roads and country lanes always put a smile on your face.
I took the car off road a few times. With winter tyres it was hugely capable, and even with 20" summer wheels it could handle some muddy farm tracks without a problem. The limiting factor was usually my concerns about ripping something off the underside of the car or trashing the wheels rather then traction or clearance.
When we reluctanctantly replaced the car last year we opted for a Range Rover TDV8 (granted, a late L322) interior is nice, image is much better but dynamically my 5 year older Cayenne Turbo embarrasses it. The seats are wide and less supportive, the body wallows and rolls into corners and I don't think the interior is any better than the Cayenne in materials and quality of finish. I really wanted to love the Range Rover but it feels a little like David Moyes after Sir Alex: it had an impossible job- a truly hard act to follow.
I' know my experience of ownership is only two cars, neither current models. Living in Cheshire- stereotypical home of the SUV, I have lots of friends who have owned several of these cars. Several of them are hugely loyal to the Range Rover marque and have owned several models, both full-fat and sport. Interestingly, they have never owned a Cayenne. A couple of friends that have bought a Cayenne after several Range Rovers have commented of the vastly superior day-to-day dynamics of the car and vowed they won't go back to a Range Rover.
In my view the Range Rover definitely had its place and is an amazing vehicle, and will outperform the Cayenne in the extremes of off road challenges. For my needs, the Cayenne wins every time. We are planning to buy another Cayenne in the near future.
Edited by Mefster on Wednesday 30th July 14:56
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