M25 - 84 miles of queues
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retrorider said:
Highway Star said:
retrorider said:
Or build some more roads perhaps ? Just a thought...
Ever tried to get a new road built? Good luck with that! 
19 miles of the congestion could be easily sorted getting rid of the Dartford toll,and come to think of it the misery of the M6/M6 toll around Birmingham too.Its as ever all about revenue,so wishful thinking...
Edited by retrorider on Friday 25th July 18:20
Luckily I have only had the misfortune of driving down the M25 a handful of times. Most recent trip was a few weeks back, standing traffic in 28C was fun for a lot of people. Traffic heading the other way back up north for the grand depart was just as bad. Was thankful that I could stick my air con on full and had plenty of good music and snacks for the hour or so of stop start and crawling traffic.
Daniel1 said:
And a redesign of the m3 junction
This.For the past 2.5 years I've been commuting up to Harrogate every Monday and coming back every Thursday afternoon.
When I get in my car at 2pm in Harrogate and switch my Sat Nav on, it's already warning of delays between 11 an 12. As my journey progresses, the traffic gradually backs up from J11/12... typically reaching J17/18 by the time I get to the M25.
Having another major motorway joining 1 miles before a major exit is just stupid road design.
On the Eastern side, whoever though it would be a good idea to pull toll booths on a busy stretch of Motorway should be shot in the back of the head.
Johnnytheboy said:
retrorider said:
Highway Star said:
retrorider said:
Or build some more roads perhaps ? Just a thought...
Ever tried to get a new road built? Good luck with that! 19 miles of the congestion could be easily sorted getting rid of the Dartford toll,and come to think of it the misery of the M6/M6 toll around Birmingham too.Its as ever all about revenue,so wishful thinking...
Edited by retrorider on Friday 25th July 18:20
OwenK said:
The M25 is indeed now hateful at any hour of the day.
Not sure that's necessarily the case.Rush hour it's terrible, especially around Heathrow and the Dartford Crossing.
Late evenings it clears up rather nicely and a good turn of pace can be had.
What I have noticed it the deterioration of the M25 over the weekends. At least rush hour drivers are assertive and get on with it. Weekends bring out the people (usually middle aged women) who drive once a week on the motorway to visit some aunt or grandparent (rest of the week found doing 40 in their local NSL). They will be found bimbling along at 60mph in lane 3 (of 4) causing calamity/congestion behind them.
The other major issue I've noticed is the rise of the econo-
-driver. These bells sit in Lane 1 at 50mph causing trucks to overtake them leading to further congestion as traffic in Lane 2 then slows down to 55mph and then everyone tries to move to lane 3. If you're too poor to travel >55mph on the motorway in a car, thus requiring trucks to overtake you, fk off and get on the train.Edited by g3org3y on Friday 25th July 19:07
Dr Jekyll said:
DonkeyApple said:
The only logical solution is to steadily increase tax on fuel to price enough people off the road!!!
Or is it that you want me taken off the road but to continue to use the roads yourself?
But on a serious note there is no other efficient means to reduce road traffic than using pricing. It's what we all respond to. Just look how many people will spend tens of thousands on a new car to get a reduction in VED of a few hundred quid. The pricing doesn't even have to work or be logical to actually work.
So whether it is increasing existing taxation systems or introducing new ones like pay per mile black boxes etc these are the only methods that would reduce congestion.
I wouldn't panic though as it can't happen as the least able to pay are the typically the largest voting demographic as well as key workers.
A more logical system would be to ration fuel. In other words every driver gets an annual allowance that is sufficient for normal use and after that allowance then their cost per litre goes to some ridiculous price. Allow a trade in credits through a centralised system to limit black markets etc.
retrorider said:
Johnnytheboy said:
retrorider said:
Highway Star said:
retrorider said:
Or build some more roads perhaps ? Just a thought...
Ever tried to get a new road built? Good luck with that! 19 miles of the congestion could be easily sorted getting rid of the Dartford toll,and come to think of it the misery of the M6/M6 toll around Birmingham too.Its as ever all about revenue,so wishful thinking...
Edited by retrorider on Friday 25th July 18:20
OwenK said:
DJRC said:
Ciao Home Counties people!
This message was brought to you by an insufferably smug bd sat next to the pool in Italy after driving 5mins back from work
Its about 25degrees currently
This message was brought to you by an insufferably smug b
d sat next to the pool in Italy after driving 5mins back from work Its about 25degrees currently
DJRC said:
Because he can. End of.
Im by the pool in Italy so I dont give a monkeys either way
DJRC, I've heard rumour that you're by a pool in Italy. Can you confirm or deny these allegations?Im by the pool in Italy so I dont give a monkeys either way
I returned from a few days fishing on the Norfolk Broads today and would normally have hit the M25/M11 at around 12.00 to travel round through Dartford tunnel to Kent. I had, however, planned to have lunch with a freind in Loughton, so used just 1 junctions worth of the "road to hell" which was OK albeit clogged with road works.
At 3.30 set off on the home leg and decided to use Blackwall. It was a bit worse than usual but not too bad. 2 hours from Loughton and I was arriving home so about 10 minutes more than normal. So glad I decided on Blackwall as every 6 minutes the radio was full of traffic reports from all over the country with tales of woe.
As for sorting the M25, how about the following:
1). All trucks can only use the nearside lane, however many lanes there are. Same should happen on any dual carriageway road.
2). Close all junctions that aren't arteiral routes. Could be just M roads. That way there would be no short journies and the road would be used for what is was intended for. To circunavigate the capital.
At 3.30 set off on the home leg and decided to use Blackwall. It was a bit worse than usual but not too bad. 2 hours from Loughton and I was arriving home so about 10 minutes more than normal. So glad I decided on Blackwall as every 6 minutes the radio was full of traffic reports from all over the country with tales of woe.
As for sorting the M25, how about the following:
1). All trucks can only use the nearside lane, however many lanes there are. Same should happen on any dual carriageway road.
2). Close all junctions that aren't arteiral routes. Could be just M roads. That way there would be no short journies and the road would be used for what is was intended for. To circunavigate the capital.
eldar said:
DJRC said:
Ciao Home Counties people!
This message was brought to you by an insufferably smug bd sat next to the pool in Italy after driving 5mins back from work
Its about 25degrees currently
Let me outsmug you. Here in Cumbria it is 28c, and severe traffic congestion is a tractor, a lost tourist dragging a shed and 4 bicycles on a variety of racks an a pensioner looking for sheep. Took 6 minutes to get home, but I wasted 22 secs putting the roof downThis message was brought to you by an insufferably smug b
d sat next to the pool in Italy after driving 5mins back from work Its about 25degrees currently
Otispunkmeyer said:
oilslick said:
So glad I found a job that means I don't have to use it for the daily commute any more. The pay cut was well worth it!
Not as smug as DJRC and his pool but ive just sauntered home via empty country lanes. 10 minutes smooth wallowing in the slushmatic! Denis O said:
At 3.30 set off on the home leg and decided to use Blackwall. It was a bit worse than usual but not too bad. 2 hours from Loughton and I was arriving home so about 10 minutes more than normal. So glad I decided on Blackwall as every 6 minutes the radio was full of traffic reports from all over the country with tales of woe.
You were very lucky, the Blackwall tunnel was closed for quite a while from around 4.30pm I think, there are still long queues.
TimLambert7 said:
Having a 5 minute walk to work instead of a 1hour B-road schlep has genuinely changed my life.
Same here. I can't understand how someone can accept spending 10 hours a week commuting. But I got seriously mocked for my opinion on this.Still 8 minutes to go to work this morning now that the schools have broken up...instead of 11...
I'd rather not work than commute, but not always practical of course!
nickfrog said:
TimLambert7 said:
Having a 5 minute walk to work instead of a 1hour B-road schlep has genuinely changed my life.
Same here. I can't understand how someone can accept spending 10 hours a week commuting. But I got seriously mocked for my opinion on this.Still 8 minutes to go to work this morning now that the schools have broken up...instead of 11...
I'd rather not work than commute, but not always practical of course!
I now ENJOY driving again. I only ever drive when I'm going somewhere fun or just simply driving for fun.
I can beat your 8 minutes - my walk took me 6 minutes door-to-desk this morning....
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