Diesel users to pay £20 to enter London
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Actual pollution figures (assume Italy's are terrible so they forget to submit them):
http://www.airqualitynow.eu/comparing_home.php
http://www.airqualitynow.eu/comparing_home.php
kambites said:
POORCARDEALER said:
Electric only, I can see thats the aim
I don't think it would be a bad thing to push for all cars which routinely enter the centre of big cities to be electric. It's the one situation where "zero emission" really means something sensible. 98elise said:
So in the real world you don't just pay 20% tax.
I'm an IT contractor so I'm well aware of the tax benefits, but its nothing like taking 80k home on 100k turnover. The suprious expenses and adding the wife as an employee you previously mention is tax evasion, not legitimate tax planning for a ltd company employee.
i know, i already explained my earlier statement.I'm an IT contractor so I'm well aware of the tax benefits, but its nothing like taking 80k home on 100k turnover. The suprious expenses and adding the wife as an employee you previously mention is tax evasion, not legitimate tax planning for a ltd company employee.
if you have your wife as a shareholder in your ltd co. and pay half the dividends to her, therefore bringing your household tax bill even lower still it is totally legal.
running your car and fuel phone etc through your company so your costs for travelling to work etc are pre tax instead of post, (something PAYE employees cannot do) saves a fortune in itself, and can well be considered spurious by people who are unable to do this. None of this is evasion.
i have done exactly the same job for the same wage as both PAYE and Self employed and the tax difference is staggering.
Prawnboy said:
i know, i already explained my earlier statement.
if you have your wife as a shareholder in your ltd co. and pay half the dividends to her, therefore bringing your household tax bill even lower still it is totally legal.
running your car and fuel phone etc through your company so your costs for travelling to work etc are pre tax instead of post, (something PAYE employees cannot do) saves a fortune in itself, and can well be considered spurious by people who are unable to do this. None of this is evasion.
i have done exactly the same job for the same wage as both PAYE and Self employed and the tax difference is staggering.
If you work in the city though, you can't do any of that, you get paid a wage. if you have your wife as a shareholder in your ltd co. and pay half the dividends to her, therefore bringing your household tax bill even lower still it is totally legal.
running your car and fuel phone etc through your company so your costs for travelling to work etc are pre tax instead of post, (something PAYE employees cannot do) saves a fortune in itself, and can well be considered spurious by people who are unable to do this. None of this is evasion.
i have done exactly the same job for the same wage as both PAYE and Self employed and the tax difference is staggering.
Cobnapint said:
So, Boris gets his way and to a man, everybody pays the extra levy.
Then what happens?
People think about swapping for a hybrid, electric or petrol car?Then what happens?
The only reason Diesel is so popular is due to the tax and mpg reasons make it cheaper. Most people don't care enough about driving to care that they're horrible to drive (or do too many miles and it's too expensive otherwise). It's all about money.
I mean much though I hate Diesels at the moment I'd still have to have one if I was doing say 20k/year as while the ~£400/year at the moment I joyfully pay for a nice engine over a Diesel is fine 2k-3k extra isn't.
If on the other hand the VED was £500 and Diesel 20p a litre more than Petrol I'd probably go petrol even for 30k/year.
Fastdruid said:
People think about swapping for a hybrid, electric or petrol car?
The only reason Diesel is so popular is due to the tax and mpg reasons make it cheaper. Most people don't care enough about driving to care that they're horrible to drive (or do too many miles and it's too expensive otherwise). It's all about money.
I mean much though I hate Diesels at the moment I'd still have to have one if I was doing say 20k/year as while the ~£400/year at the moment I joyfully pay for a nice engine over a Diesel is fine 2k-3k extra isn't.
If on the other hand the VED was £500 and Diesel 20p a litre more than Petrol I'd probably go petrol even for 30k/year.
It was clearly the tax benefit of the CO2 based tax. The only reason Diesel is so popular is due to the tax and mpg reasons make it cheaper. Most people don't care enough about driving to care that they're horrible to drive (or do too many miles and it's too expensive otherwise). It's all about money.
I mean much though I hate Diesels at the moment I'd still have to have one if I was doing say 20k/year as while the ~£400/year at the moment I joyfully pay for a nice engine over a Diesel is fine 2k-3k extra isn't.
If on the other hand the VED was £500 and Diesel 20p a litre more than Petrol I'd probably go petrol even for 30k/year.
With many Diesels you got to drive lots of miles to actually see a benefit especially the smaller the car! Driving a Fiesta or smaller you will have to drive riducules miles to see a cost advantage over petrol cars!
I have just done 1500km in a Renault Clio over the last couple of weeks, mid sized 5 seater family hatchback, pretty much the average car for most who juts want to get from a-b and don't really give a crap about cars other than can they plug their ipod in.
It has returned 6.1l/km over the last 2 weeks which is 46mpg. I sat on the motorway at 120kph for 220km and it was showing 5.4l/km for that journey, so 52mpg.
That is the sort of economy that most want from a car and won't think too much about it.
It is a petrol by the way.
It has returned 6.1l/km over the last 2 weeks which is 46mpg. I sat on the motorway at 120kph for 220km and it was showing 5.4l/km for that journey, so 52mpg.
That is the sort of economy that most want from a car and won't think too much about it.
It is a petrol by the way.
Cobnapint said:
Fastdruid said:
Cobnapint said:
So, Boris gets his way and to a man, everybody pays the extra levy.
Then what happens?
People think about swapping for a hybrid, electric or petrol car?Then what happens?
The current popularity of Diesel is entirely driven by the low VED (and BiK) and MPG. If that is reversed or balanced (by charging more for Diesels of course, not by charging less for petrol) then their popularity will be reversed / balanced.
Fastdruid said:
Cobnapint said:
Fastdruid said:
Cobnapint said:
So, Boris gets his way and to a man, everybody pays the extra levy.
Then what happens?
People think about swapping for a hybrid, electric or petrol car?Then what happens?
The current popularity of Diesel is entirely driven by the low VED (and BiK) and MPG. If that is reversed or balanced (by charging more for Diesels of course, not by charging less for petrol) then their popularity will be reversed / balanced.
Cobnapint said:
Fastdruid said:
Cobnapint said:
Fastdruid said:
Cobnapint said:
So, Boris gets his way and to a man, everybody pays the extra levy.
Then what happens?
People think about swapping for a hybrid, electric or petrol car?Then what happens?
The current popularity of Diesel is entirely driven by the low VED (and BiK) and MPG. If that is reversed or balanced (by charging more for Diesels of course, not by charging less for petrol) then their popularity will be reversed / balanced.
Telegraph - Diesel drivers betrayed
They continue the premature deaths line.
They argue that car drivers have been actively encouraged by massive discounts which as far as I am concerned only applies re BIK for company cars. VED savings are marginal. There has been a price premium on diesel fuel via duty for decade or more. To me the argument that diesel drivers have had "massive tax breaks" is twaddle.
However it does demonstrate the grasping nature of tax authorities and politicians. They arrange the rules to try and encourage behaviour based on whatever their current knowledge or plan is. When they find out they were wrong there is no ok we were wrong to penalise this we will reduce the premium, no they leave that premium in place and put extra duties on the other to make that now less attractive. More tax.
Anyone who is investing in electric vehicle should take advantage while they can because there will come a time when that no longer suits. E.g. oh we don't have enough generation capacity for all these electric vehicles so etc etc. Gits.
They continue the premature deaths line.
They argue that car drivers have been actively encouraged by massive discounts which as far as I am concerned only applies re BIK for company cars. VED savings are marginal. There has been a price premium on diesel fuel via duty for decade or more. To me the argument that diesel drivers have had "massive tax breaks" is twaddle.
However it does demonstrate the grasping nature of tax authorities and politicians. They arrange the rules to try and encourage behaviour based on whatever their current knowledge or plan is. When they find out they were wrong there is no ok we were wrong to penalise this we will reduce the premium, no they leave that premium in place and put extra duties on the other to make that now less attractive. More tax.
Anyone who is investing in electric vehicle should take advantage while they can because there will come a time when that no longer suits. E.g. oh we don't have enough generation capacity for all these electric vehicles so etc etc. Gits.
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