RE: Jag XE: 75 per cent aluminium and over 75mpg
Discussion
Max_Torque said:
jamieduff1981 said:
TBH I think it's just marketing that's needed. Jaguar already make great cars that are better to drive than the Germans.
Except, the weight of objective evidence suggests that they don't. Pretty much 95% of the time, any test of cars including Jags, BMWs, Audis, and Mercs is won by one of the germans. Almost without fail that test will finish with the words "The Jag is great to look at, but inferior to the Germans in terms of dynamics, performance, and crucially these days economics (inc BIK, Co2, Mpg etc)"What gives?
Max_Torque said:
jamieduff1981 said:
TBH I think it's just marketing that's needed. Jaguar already make great cars that are better to drive than the Germans.
Except, the weight of objective evidence suggests that they don't. Pretty much 95% of the time, any test of cars including Jags, BMWs, Audis, and Mercs is won by one of the germans. Almost without fail that test will finish with the words "The Jag is great to look at, but inferior to the Germans in terms of dynamics, performance, and crucially these days economics (inc BIK, Co2, Mpg etc)"Their big saloons are great to drive out of the box. The journos all masturbate furiously over the German stuff but there are plenty people on here who complain about how dull their German cars are that I don't believe I'm alone in thinking that the German cars aren't actually all they're cracked up to be. I much preferred the S-Type's drive to the E39 and E60. People w
k on about German interiors but it looks like acres of ugly plastic crap to me. I much, much prefer the XFR-S to the Walter Mitty fake noise twin turbo geeky/techy/distracting and generally hard to enjoy on the road M5.Nobody gives Jaguar a chance though and stick to their old man preconceptions to formulate their opinions. It's all 3rd hard opinion adopted as one's own and regurgitated at every opportunity to sound knowledgable. I challenge any potential M5 customer to try the XFR-S on an extended test drive and not think it was great fun to drive.
European Passenger car sales figures say:
BMW 5 series: 107,307 automobiles sold in 2013
Audi A6 series: 98,891 automobiles sold in 2013
Mercedes Eclass: 106,559 automobiles sold in 2013
Jaguar XF; 26,969 automobiles sold in 2013
Unfortunately, we live in a capitalist economy, which suggests the XF is NOT the "best" car in it's class (or that people are not spending their money wisely.......)
BMW 5 series: 107,307 automobiles sold in 2013
Audi A6 series: 98,891 automobiles sold in 2013
Mercedes Eclass: 106,559 automobiles sold in 2013
Jaguar XF; 26,969 automobiles sold in 2013
Unfortunately, we live in a capitalist economy, which suggests the XF is NOT the "best" car in it's class (or that people are not spending their money wisely.......)
Indeed the figures tell a story. I can fully support the company car drivers historically flocking to the 3 series. Fairly mediocre car to own IMO but the data makes them cheap to have for company users. Fine.
The rest though about cars bought with own money is, I'm convinced, heavily skewed by the uniquely British conviction that anything built here shouldn't be owned and that anything German is what to be seen in.
It's marketing, I'm certain. Skoda managed it and now if you want a VW but don't care about that working class reverse snobbery image that commands a premium then people buying by numbers get a Skoda. Jaguar need to convince the easily led masses that their cars do suit pre-retired people and do offer a good quality product. Tbh I think they're heading in the right direction with the TDF sponsorship, Good to be Bad campaign and the bright coloured lairy models. The German stuff is all about subtle conformance and fitting it. The latest Jags are saying "fk that". I like that. Their halo models work for me certainly. The image of halo models does help sales of cooking models.
The rest though about cars bought with own money is, I'm convinced, heavily skewed by the uniquely British conviction that anything built here shouldn't be owned and that anything German is what to be seen in.
It's marketing, I'm certain. Skoda managed it and now if you want a VW but don't care about that working class reverse snobbery image that commands a premium then people buying by numbers get a Skoda. Jaguar need to convince the easily led masses that their cars do suit pre-retired people and do offer a good quality product. Tbh I think they're heading in the right direction with the TDF sponsorship, Good to be Bad campaign and the bright coloured lairy models. The German stuff is all about subtle conformance and fitting it. The latest Jags are saying "f
k that". I like that. Their halo models work for me certainly. The image of halo models does help sales of cooking models.Max_Torque said:
European Passenger car sales figures say:
BMW 5 series: 107,307 automobiles sold in 2013
Audi A6 series: 98,891 automobiles sold in 2013
Mercedes Eclass: 106,559 automobiles sold in 2013
Jaguar XF; 26,969 automobiles sold in 2013
Unfortunately, we live in a capitalist economy, which suggests the XF is NOT the "best" car in it's class (or that people are not spending their money wisely.......)
That's a real shame IMO. The xf is a fabulous car. Had a food look around an estate today. Loverly. Prefer it to anything german.BMW 5 series: 107,307 automobiles sold in 2013
Audi A6 series: 98,891 automobiles sold in 2013
Mercedes Eclass: 106,559 automobiles sold in 2013
Jaguar XF; 26,969 automobiles sold in 2013
Unfortunately, we live in a capitalist economy, which suggests the XF is NOT the "best" car in it's class (or that people are not spending their money wisely.......)
Went to a meeting last week. Mine was the only none german there. Base A6,a4,3,5 c and e. The only interesting car there was a cls estate.
Except about 75% of the big 3 sales are boggo 2.0 manuals, XF is 2.2D auto or 3.0 Auto, if you compare only these specs figures are a lot closer
Max_Torque said:
European Passenger car sales figures say:
BMW 5 series: 107,307 automobiles sold in 2013
Audi A6 series: 98,891 automobiles sold in 2013
Mercedes Eclass: 106,559 automobiles sold in 2013
Jaguar XF; 26,969 automobiles sold in 2013
Unfortunately, we live in a capitalist economy, which suggests the XF is NOT the "best" car in it's class (or that people are not spending their money wisely.......)
BMW 5 series: 107,307 automobiles sold in 2013
Audi A6 series: 98,891 automobiles sold in 2013
Mercedes Eclass: 106,559 automobiles sold in 2013
Jaguar XF; 26,969 automobiles sold in 2013
Unfortunately, we live in a capitalist economy, which suggests the XF is NOT the "best" car in it's class (or that people are not spending their money wisely.......)
jagfan2 said:
Except about 75% of the big 3 sales are boggo 2.0 manuals, XF is 2.2D auto or 3.0 Auto, if you compare only these specs figures are a lot closer
So, for some reason, JLR completely fail to produce a car that includes a "volume selling" model, so we should cut them some slack? er, why? Shouldn't they just have included a 2.0 derv in the first place for the XF??Sniff Petrol on the new XE:
A teaser shot of the new Jag, yesterday
Jaguar has released surprising new details of its forthcoming XE saloon which suggest that the vital new saloon will be more retro than expected.
‘The rakish, modern look of the XF and XJ is all well and good but what’s wrong with a lovely fluted bonnet and nice quartet of slightly awkward, not quite round headlights,’ a high ranking source said. ‘Likewise, it’s perfectly fine to trim the interior in modern materials like carbon fibre and aluminium but really, you can’t beat a lovely slab of wood and some old switches from a Ford Scorpio.’
The new car’s underpinnings won’t be quite as modern as some were expecting either. ‘We looked at engineering a brand new, all-aluminium platform but frankly it all sounded too complicated,’ our insider revealed. ‘So we’re just going to use the existing, well-proven mechanicals from another car. I can’t say too much but it rhymes with ‘Mord Fondeo’.’
‘We think this will work well,’ our informant insisted. ‘I mean, a car company can bang on about chasing dynamic, youthful customers but what about 74-year-old retired loss adjusters from Kettering? They might like a Jaguar too, especially if it has lots of chrome trim and a lovely wireless.’
Finally, our mole admits that the XE name did not research well and is to be scrapped. ‘People liked the X,’ he admitted. ‘But the E didn’t go down well so we’re replacing that with something else. We think ‘-type’ has a ring to it. Why are you sniggering?’
williamp said:
Sniff Petrol on the new XE:
A teaser shot of the new Jag, yesterday
Jaguar has released surprising new details of its forthcoming XE saloon which suggest that the vital new saloon will be more retro than expected.
‘The rakish, modern look of the XF and XJ is all well and good but what’s wrong with a lovely fluted bonnet and nice quartet of slightly awkward, not quite round headlights,’ a high ranking source said. ‘Likewise, it’s perfectly fine to trim the interior in modern materials like carbon fibre and aluminium but really, you can’t beat a lovely slab of wood and some old switches from a Ford Scorpio.’
The new car’s underpinnings won’t be quite as modern as some were expecting either. ‘We looked at engineering a brand new, all-aluminium platform but frankly it all sounded too complicated,’ our insider revealed. ‘So we’re just going to use the existing, well-proven mechanicals from another car. I can’t say too much but it rhymes with ‘Mord Fondeo’.’
‘We think this will work well,’ our informant insisted. ‘I mean, a car company can bang on about chasing dynamic, youthful customers but what about 74-year-old retired loss adjusters from Kettering? They might like a Jaguar too, especially if it has lots of chrome trim and a lovely wireless.’
Finally, our mole admits that the XE name did not research well and is to be scrapped. ‘People liked the X,’ he admitted. ‘But the E didn’t go down well so we’re replacing that with something else. We think ‘-type’ has a ring to it. Why are you sniggering?’
A teaser shot of the new Jag, yesterday
Jaguar has released surprising new details of its forthcoming XE saloon which suggest that the vital new saloon will be more retro than expected.
‘The rakish, modern look of the XF and XJ is all well and good but what’s wrong with a lovely fluted bonnet and nice quartet of slightly awkward, not quite round headlights,’ a high ranking source said. ‘Likewise, it’s perfectly fine to trim the interior in modern materials like carbon fibre and aluminium but really, you can’t beat a lovely slab of wood and some old switches from a Ford Scorpio.’
The new car’s underpinnings won’t be quite as modern as some were expecting either. ‘We looked at engineering a brand new, all-aluminium platform but frankly it all sounded too complicated,’ our insider revealed. ‘So we’re just going to use the existing, well-proven mechanicals from another car. I can’t say too much but it rhymes with ‘Mord Fondeo’.’
‘We think this will work well,’ our informant insisted. ‘I mean, a car company can bang on about chasing dynamic, youthful customers but what about 74-year-old retired loss adjusters from Kettering? They might like a Jaguar too, especially if it has lots of chrome trim and a lovely wireless.’
Finally, our mole admits that the XE name did not research well and is to be scrapped. ‘People liked the X,’ he admitted. ‘But the E didn’t go down well so we’re replacing that with something else. We think ‘-type’ has a ring to it. Why are you sniggering?’
Spot on as usual.
wow, so jaguar is definitely running out of ideas. after an overhyped generic design f-type, they are copying the germans, and BMW for that matter.
this XE-S already looks dated, too much black plastic and grills and basic lamps.
put a kidney grill, underline the 4 lenses and you have a bimmer :
this XE-S already looks dated, too much black plastic and grills and basic lamps.
put a kidney grill, underline the 4 lenses and you have a bimmer :
snaelro said:
wow, so jaguar is definitely running out of ideas. after an overhyped generic design f-type,
All ok if thats your opinion. I think its one of the best looking cars on the road.But wait a minute. I dont often remember or even notice peoples names on here but I remembered yours from a previous F type thread.
Just checked back your posting history easily went back over a year because you only ever post once in a while.
and always only on jaguar threads, and always critical.
Did jaguar steal the jam out of your doughnut. why only post about jaguar? Porsche worker?
tenpenceshort said:
Being fair, that front bumper screams 'MSport'; it's hardly original looking.
Ill take your word for it. you'd have to put a side by side pic up for me to tell.either way I like it again that's subjective. I've just gone back even further out of interest. vast majority of his posts are on Jaguar with a few posts slagging off Aston and mclaren thrown in.
easily 90% of his posts are jaguar and all critical. which is just an off the top of my head made up stat.
I'm no columbo though so could be way off. just seems odd that somebody would be here for years an almost exclusively critical of jaguar.
Edited by Pesty on Thursday 31st July 20:06
V88Dicky said:
Max_Torque said:
jamieduff1981 said:
TBH I think it's just marketing that's needed. Jaguar already make great cars that are better to drive than the Germans.
Except, the weight of objective evidence suggests that they don't. Pretty much 95% of the time, any test of cars including Jags, BMWs, Audis, and Mercs is won by one of the germans. Almost without fail that test will finish with the words "The Jag is great to look at, but inferior to the Germans in terms of dynamics, performance, and crucially these days economics (inc BIK, Co2, Mpg etc)"What gives?
t compared to the Jag.snaelro said:
wow, so jaguar is definitely running out of ideas. after an overhyped generic design f-type, they are copying the germans, and BMW for that matter.
this XE-S already looks dated, too much black plastic and grills and basic lamps.
put a kidney grill, underline the 4 lenses and you have a bimmer :
And it has the same number of wheels. Wow. this XE-S already looks dated, too much black plastic and grills and basic lamps.
put a kidney grill, underline the 4 lenses and you have a bimmer :
williamp said:
That photoshopped bmw looks better then a real one:
Far too bling-y.amd the bonnet shut line still doesn't look right
and that pic of yours looks far better than the real pic ive just put up.Far too bling-y.amd the bonnet shut line still doesn't look right
my word im never going to unsee that bonnet shut line now. never noticed it before. who signed that off.
the jag is much better looking.
Im a BMW fan by the way.
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