RE: Jag XE: 75 per cent aluminium and over 75mpg
Discussion
Pesty said:
Ill take your word for it. you'd have to put a side by side pic up for me to tell.
either way I like it again that's subjective. I've just gone back even further out of interest. vast majority of his posts are on Jaguar with a few posts slagging off Aston and mclaren thrown in.
easily 90% of his posts are jaguar and all critical. which is just an off the top of my head made up stat.
I'm no columbo though so could be way off. just seems odd that somebody would be here for years an almost exclusively critical of jaguar.
I don't say whether I like it or not, merely that it doesn't look particularly original when compared to the front bumper design BMW have been using on their MSport models for some considerable time. Perhaps this particular look has been researched and found to appeal to the kind of buyers Jaguar hope to attract?either way I like it again that's subjective. I've just gone back even further out of interest. vast majority of his posts are on Jaguar with a few posts slagging off Aston and mclaren thrown in.
easily 90% of his posts are jaguar and all critical. which is just an off the top of my head made up stat.
I'm no columbo though so could be way off. just seems odd that somebody would be here for years an almost exclusively critical of jaguar.
Edited by Pesty on Thursday 31st July 20:06
Having said all of that, within reason the looks of the car are not the most important bit (as you say, they're subjective). Whether the XE succeeds in the UK will depend on the BIK figures and whatever financial support Jaguar is prepared to give the car to achieve attractive leasing figures.
My own opinion is that Jaguar cannot yet compete with BMW and Mercedes in terms of 'driveway presence', so it's going to have to be by financial sense that they attempt to grab market share.
i'm not disagreeing I see a sort of resemblance but then you can say that of a lot of cars. If they went totally orginal I get the impression a lot of people would criticize them for that too. lose, lose.
what is this BIK people keep mentioning?
All I know is every time I see an XJ I want one. I may well end up with one in a few years because there is nothing else that attracts me luxo barge wise. I love the XF especially the black with red interior XFR i keep seeing near Nottingham. the estates are fantastic and I prefer them. to almost any other estate baring the e class and cls estate.
I think Jag have a very classy line up at the moment and the F type is just sublime.
But im poor and haven't driven one. I concede they may not live up to my expectations.
but im pretyy sure a black XJ would really have to be a dog to stop me buying one. and this XE especially a hot version has really peaked my interest albeit as a pre owned car down the line.
what is this BIK people keep mentioning?
All I know is every time I see an XJ I want one. I may well end up with one in a few years because there is nothing else that attracts me luxo barge wise. I love the XF especially the black with red interior XFR i keep seeing near Nottingham. the estates are fantastic and I prefer them. to almost any other estate baring the e class and cls estate.
I think Jag have a very classy line up at the moment and the F type is just sublime.
But im poor and haven't driven one. I concede they may not live up to my expectations.
but im pretyy sure a black XJ would really have to be a dog to stop me buying one. and this XE especially a hot version has really peaked my interest albeit as a pre owned car down the line.
snaelro said:
Mr Columbo, the jaguar has the exact same shutline...
so it has. not as obvious though in the pics posted.care to comment on the rest of my post, why join a car site to only criticize cars. You appear to have never posted positively on anything.
you know, something that car fans tend to do. like cars and talk about cars they like, instead of talking about cars they don't like which you exclusively do.
just interested from a psychological point of view as to your motives and its unusual on this site. but hey you dont have to justify yourself to me. your posts are there for everybody to see and make their minds up as to your motives.
Pesty said:
hmm not so sure myself but i dont have an eye for these things. I prefer the jag anyway
Been seeing a few of this model beemer about and I'm sorry but it looks a bit s
t. The comment about how 'msport' bumpers are the shiznit made me visibly cringe.
Can't believe there are so many Jag haters on a petrolhead website.
Yet so many diehard 'msport' fanbois.
Why?
Seriously.
Why don't all British motor freaks and diehard driving gods want to drive JLR to world domination by sheer force of will? Why the ferocious loyalty to a Bavarian mass manufacturer of 95% dull as dishwater vanilla dross?
Shame on us all.
Pesty said:
what is this BIK people keep mentioning? .
Company car drivers have to pay additional income tax in respect of the vehicle the drive. This is calculated based upon a percentage of the new list price. The percentage is determined by the model's official CO2 figure. BMW are the masters of massaging the co2 figures, which is why I would pay about the same tax on a Passat as I would a 5 Series, despite the BMW list price being around £10k more.That's why you see so many 3 series.
tenpenceshort said:
Company car drivers have to pay additional income tax in respect of the vehicle the drive. This is calculated based upon a percentage of the new list price. The percentage is determined by the model's official CO2 figure. BMW are the masters of massaging the co2 figures, which is why I would pay about the same tax on a Passat as I would a 5 Series, despite the BMW list price being around £10k more.
That's why you see so many 3 series.
Ahhh thanks. we opt out of all that so never had to deal with it.That's why you see so many 3 series.
Id imagine Jag should have noticed that.
just speaking for myself here but If i did have to pick a company car and as such other than tax wasnt using my own money it would give me more incentive to try something different like a jag.
Even though ive been very impressed with every BM Ive driven.
in fact Im on record here as saying a 330i was the best all round car and probably last car you would ever need at some point some years ago.
snaelro said:
Mr Columbo, the jaguar has the exact same shutline...
The designers all have to work to the same regulations. There is only so much tweaking round the edges that you can do which is why you can pick similarities between most two cars in the same class.The XE maintains the 'family' styling which is the main aim for brand cohesion.
Love the Jag exclusivity - just bought a new Sportbrake, cash - great to pass the hoi polloi in their 'superior' Panzerwagens 
How anyone can buy a comparable audi or bmw is beyond my ken - but of course they are not buying 'em - they are repmobiles which are leased by their employers
How anyone can buy a comparable audi or bmw is beyond my ken - but of course they are not buying 'em - they are repmobiles which are leased by their employers
Max_Torque said:
jagfan2 said:
Except about 75% of the big 3 sales are boggo 2.0 manuals, XF is 2.2D auto or 3.0 Auto, if you compare only these specs figures are a lot closer
So, for some reason, JLR completely fail to produce a car that includes a "volume selling" model, so we should cut them some slack? er, why? Shouldn't they just have included a 2.0 derv in the first place for the XF??Pesty said:
If I recall correctly from a previous thread they are planning on putting the supercharged v6 from the F type.
If they stick that in an estate, I'd have one. I'm so bored with the interior of mine (335d) it's just so uninspiring, I want something that I can connect with emotionally. Hopefully Jagwar will do the right thing.Max_Torque said:
It's worth noting that for modern "Direct Injection" engines (diesel or Gasoline) there is a direct inverse relationship between Refinement (combustion noise) and Economy. In order to waste the least heat, you need to burn the fuel in the cylinder as fast as possible and at the lowest possible volume (less time for heat to escape, and smallest area of cylinder walls for it to escape to). Unfortunately, burning the fuel fast and at a low volume means a faster rate of rise of cylinder pressure, something most people will associate with the classic "diesel knock"
This means that the more you push for economy, the less refined the engine becomes. One of the reasons JLR products have historically lagged behind the Germans in terms of both test cycle and real world fuel economy is that they have pushed that compromise further towards the Refinement end of the spectrum. I'd expect that to have changed dramatically for the new car............
Never knew that.This means that the more you push for economy, the less refined the engine becomes. One of the reasons JLR products have historically lagged behind the Germans in terms of both test cycle and real world fuel economy is that they have pushed that compromise further towards the Refinement end of the spectrum. I'd expect that to have changed dramatically for the new car............
Makes perfect sense.
Thank you Max, clever people like you are the reason I use PH.
What is the thinking behind releasing these with only 4 cyl engines on offer? Nobody who would buy the 6 cyl will buy the 4 cyl out of impatience - they will just go to another manufacturer. By the time the 6 cyl version becomes available, a lot of people will have tried the XE but gone elsewhere because they don't want to wait for one with a proper engine.
ORD said:
What is the thinking behind releasing these with only 4 cyl engines on offer? Nobody who would buy the 6 cyl will buy the 4 cyl out of impatience - they will just go to another manufacturer. By the time the 6 cyl version becomes available, a lot of people will have tried the XE but gone elsewhere because they don't want to wait for one with a proper engine.
I agree. Even though a V6 version won't be a big seller, they should at least have that option from launch. I'd imagine a 6 pot version will be available for export markets (especially N America).Gassing Station | General Gassing | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff