RE: Jag XE: 75 per cent aluminium and over 75mpg
Discussion
Looking forward to how this will pan out in the flesh. So far, seems promising and definitely looks good!
X Type, especially the earlier ones, were not great cars, and in my opinion, not a 'proper' Jag. Makes me laugh when owners brag about owning a 'Jaaag' then pull up in a re-badged Mondeo!
Alot of the mechanical components were shared with the Mondeo platform, and the C Class / 3 Series / A4 of the time were better cars.
Even my Jaguar specialist strongly advised against buying an X Type for the mother in law, saying that I was better off buying a German equivalent. He doesn't complain, as he gets a lot of business from X Type owners with the amount of faults they have coming into his workshop!
X Type, especially the earlier ones, were not great cars, and in my opinion, not a 'proper' Jag. Makes me laugh when owners brag about owning a 'Jaaag' then pull up in a re-badged Mondeo!
Alot of the mechanical components were shared with the Mondeo platform, and the C Class / 3 Series / A4 of the time were better cars.
Even my Jaguar specialist strongly advised against buying an X Type for the mother in law, saying that I was better off buying a German equivalent. He doesn't complain, as he gets a lot of business from X Type owners with the amount of faults they have coming into his workshop!
Edited by pSyCoSiS on Tuesday 29th July 15:17
pSyCoSiS said:
X Type, especially the earlier ones, were not great cars, and in my opinion, not a 'proper' Jag. Makes me laugh when owners brag about owning a 'Jaaag' then pull up in a re-badged Mondeo!
You mean like the Audi A1 owners who pull up in their re-badged Fabia? The ones who couldnt care less where the oily bits come from as long as it has the right badge on the front?There will be an estate version. Also I coupe, in time (according to the Autocar "scoop" article on Jaguar planning for the XE range, anyway). I don't know about product plans for 4WD,but if they want to sell well into the NE seaboard of the US & Canada then the answer has to be a yes.
pSyCoSiS said:
Looking forward to how this will pan out in the flesh. So far, seems promising and definitely looks good!
X Type, especially the earlier ones, were not great cars, and in my opinion, not a 'proper' Jag. Makes me laugh when owners brag about owning a 'Jaaag' then pull up in a re-badged Mondeo!
Alot of the mechanical components were shared with the Mondeo platform, and the C Class / 3 Series / A4 of the time were better cars.
Even my Jaguar specialist strongly advised against buying an X Type for the mother in law, saying that I was better off buying a German equivalent. He doesn't complain, as he gets a lot of business from X Type owners with the amount of faults they have coming into his workshop!
To save time, I'll just summarise all of your post as wrong.X Type, especially the earlier ones, were not great cars, and in my opinion, not a 'proper' Jag. Makes me laugh when owners brag about owning a 'Jaaag' then pull up in a re-badged Mondeo!
Alot of the mechanical components were shared with the Mondeo platform, and the C Class / 3 Series / A4 of the time were better cars.
Even my Jaguar specialist strongly advised against buying an X Type for the mother in law, saying that I was better off buying a German equivalent. He doesn't complain, as he gets a lot of business from X Type owners with the amount of faults they have coming into his workshop!
Edited by pSyCoSiS on Tuesday 29th July 15:17
jamieduff1981 said:
Kawasicki said:
Will this be fwd? Let's hope so....lighter, with safer handling and more interior space.
No it's a new RWD platform so that it drives like a premium driver's car and not a hot hatch.Kawasicki said:
Not all fwd cars drive like a hot hatch. "Premium driver's car"....hmmm...what about oversteer, all weather ability, eh? What about safety? Rear leg room, anyone for golf?
FWD is usually a compromise for reasons of economy. Traditionally, luxury cars have remained RWD partly to avoid that feeling of compromise. Yes, there are some great handling FWD cars but a good RWD chassis is like seeing in full colour next to black & white. Personally, I'm glad this is RWD and if in the market, wouldn't consider the FWD competition (e.g. the entry level A4s) unless there was one hell of an incentive.Oversteer? That's basically "on demand" as long as the chassis is good (no problems with the XF etc.).
All-weather ability? Fit the correct tyres; you'll be fine. There will probably be AWD versions for those who live in Siberia.
Safety? What do you mean?
Rear leg room? Most of these cars won't regularly carry adult passengers but TBH I think there'll be enough anyway. My 3-Series is fine if people aren't unusually tall or being deliberately awkward.
Why shouldn't it be RWD?
Kawasicki said:
jamieduff1981 said:
Kawasicki said:
Will this be fwd? Let's hope so....lighter, with safer handling and more interior space.
No it's a new RWD platform so that it drives like a premium driver's car and not a hot hatch.Likewise I seem to manage with RWD bootspace.
Even my wife (look out - she's a woman) drives around in a RWD car with my 2 little girls in the back. I even let her go out when it's snowing.
ORD said:
Back on point, if Jag cant outclass the current 3 series, they don't deserve success. The 320d is an extremely easy target.
Rubbish.But don't take my word for it, how about Autocar's
Autocar said:
To go into the individual performance characteristics of each engine option would take more space than we have, but just taking the key model – the mid-range 320d diesel – provides an example that, with a few variances here and there, is broadly representative of the range as a whole.
A standard, manual, two-wheel drive 320d hits 62mph from rest in 7.5sec and carries on to a top speed of 146mph.
The equivalent Audi needs 8.4sec and hits 140mph, while the C220CDI Mercedes also requires 8.4sec, although its top speed is 144mph. But in terms of what matters – the feeling you get when you put your foot down – the BMW is in a league of its own.
But there’s always more to a BMW than bald performance. The diesels are the smoothest, quietest powerplants in the class,
For in terms of outright ability, currently there is nothing that gets close to the 3-series, let alone looks likely to beat it. What must be so terrifying for rival manufacturers is the car’s ability across the board. It gives not just outstanding performance, but combines it with fabulous economy. It’s not just the best-handling car in the class, but the best-riding, too.
The 3-series is a triumphant testament to BMW’s driver ethos and engineering prowess, and now stands head and shoulders above its competition, towering clearer of the pack than any other new BMW, or any other class-leading car, we can think of.
And until someone can devise a way of attacking successfully on such a myriad array of diverse fronts, the position of the 3-series as the world’s best small saloon looks more secure than ever.
I wish Jaguar every success with this car, but to say the 3 series is an 'easy target' is absolute nonsense, and completely without basis or justification, and I can only assume there is some hidden agenda behind your comments.A standard, manual, two-wheel drive 320d hits 62mph from rest in 7.5sec and carries on to a top speed of 146mph.
The equivalent Audi needs 8.4sec and hits 140mph, while the C220CDI Mercedes also requires 8.4sec, although its top speed is 144mph. But in terms of what matters – the feeling you get when you put your foot down – the BMW is in a league of its own.
But there’s always more to a BMW than bald performance. The diesels are the smoothest, quietest powerplants in the class,
For in terms of outright ability, currently there is nothing that gets close to the 3-series, let alone looks likely to beat it. What must be so terrifying for rival manufacturers is the car’s ability across the board. It gives not just outstanding performance, but combines it with fabulous economy. It’s not just the best-handling car in the class, but the best-riding, too.
The 3-series is a triumphant testament to BMW’s driver ethos and engineering prowess, and now stands head and shoulders above its competition, towering clearer of the pack than any other new BMW, or any other class-leading car, we can think of.
And until someone can devise a way of attacking successfully on such a myriad array of diverse fronts, the position of the 3-series as the world’s best small saloon looks more secure than ever.
jamieduff1981 said:
pSyCoSiS said:
Looking forward to how this will pan out in the flesh. So far, seems promising and definitely looks good!
X Type, especially the earlier ones, were not great cars, and in my opinion, not a 'proper' Jag. Makes me laugh when owners brag about owning a 'Jaaag' then pull up in a re-badged Mondeo!
Alot of the mechanical components were shared with the Mondeo platform, and the C Class / 3 Series / A4 of the time were better cars.
Even my Jaguar specialist strongly advised against buying an X Type for the mother in law, saying that I was better off buying a German equivalent. He doesn't complain, as he gets a lot of business from X Type owners with the amount of faults they have coming into his workshop!
To save time, I'll just summarise all of your post as wrong.X Type, especially the earlier ones, were not great cars, and in my opinion, not a 'proper' Jag. Makes me laugh when owners brag about owning a 'Jaaag' then pull up in a re-badged Mondeo!
Alot of the mechanical components were shared with the Mondeo platform, and the C Class / 3 Series / A4 of the time were better cars.
Even my Jaguar specialist strongly advised against buying an X Type for the mother in law, saying that I was better off buying a German equivalent. He doesn't complain, as he gets a lot of business from X Type owners with the amount of faults they have coming into his workshop!
Edited by pSyCoSiS on Tuesday 29th July 15:17
Not sure about that lightweight claim... if Jaguar had such great lightweight engineering prowess then surely they would have shown it off where it matters, with the F-Type, arguably their current sportscar flagship?
Instead it’s really a quite lardy beast for a newly designed car in this day and age.
Instead it’s really a quite lardy beast for a newly designed car in this day and age.
Clivey said:
Kawasicki said:
Not all fwd cars drive like a hot hatch. "Premium driver's car"....hmmm...what about oversteer, all weather ability, eh? What about safety? Rear leg room, anyone for golf?
FWD is usually a compromise for reasons of economy. Traditionally, luxury cars have remained RWD partly to avoid that feeling of compromise. Yes, there are some great handling FWD cars but a good RWD chassis is like seeing in full colour next to black & white. Personally, I'm glad this is RWD and if in the market, wouldn't consider the FWD competition (e.g. the entry level A4s) unless there was one hell of an incentive.Oversteer? That's basically "on demand" as long as the chassis is good (no problems with the XF etc.).
All-weather ability? Fit the correct tyres; you'll be fine. There will probably be AWD versions for those who live in Siberia.
Safety? What do you mean?
Rear leg room? Most of these cars won't regularly carry adult passengers but TBH I think there'll be enough anyway. My 3-Series is fine if people aren't unusually tall or being deliberately awkward.
Why shouldn't it be RWD?
jamieduff1981 said:
Well I've had RWD cars for years and have no problem getting to work in Scottish weather. If you're worried about oversteer the first time it rains, learn how to drive. There are already cars for incompetent lead-footed buffoons who should be on buses. They have 4 rings front and back and a Quattro badge.
Likewise I seem to manage with RWD bootspace.
Even my wife (look out - she's a woman) drives around in a RWD car with my 2 little girls in the back. I even let her go out when it's snowing.
Ditto.Likewise I seem to manage with RWD bootspace.
Even my wife (look out - she's a woman) drives around in a RWD car with my 2 little girls in the back. I even let her go out when it's snowing.
I've just looked in your profile / garage. 
EricE said:
Not sure about that lightweight claim... if Jaguar had such great lightweight engineering prowess then surely they would have shown it off where it matters, with the F-Type, arguably their current sportscar flagship?
Instead it’s really a quite lardy beast for a newly designed car in this day and age.
If it was a newly designed car you might have a point but as it is a shortened version of the old XK platform you don't.Instead it’s really a quite lardy beast for a newly designed car in this day and age.
ORD said:
Safety? Seriously? Drive any current RWD car and tell me it is "unsafe". Complete nonsense invented by an idiot about cars made 40 years ago.
Back on point, if Jag cant outclass the current 3 series, they don't deserve success. The 320d is an extremely easy target.
According to autocar, mercedes tried their new c class and failed...just..to beat the 3 series. It is the market leader.the 3 series defines the market sector. It is the obvious and only target. Get the 3 series scalp and you've won. No other cars really matter. Because id you look at buying an xe, you will also consider the 3. jaguar need to make sure it works the other way roundBack on point, if Jag cant outclass the current 3 series, they don't deserve success. The 320d is an extremely easy target.
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