Driverless cars in the UK
Discussion
thinkofaname said:
I think it car ownership will drop, and people who do need cars will increasingly buy smaller ones. No need for a massive people mover if most of the time it's just you in it.
Explain why most massive people movers you see already have just one person in them, or more likely his wife chauffeuring one small child to school.Most big cars are bought for the same reason as Rolex watches are, not because the owner needs to know what time it is. It's because he needs other people to know how much money he has.
Ed. said:
Mr Will said:
Ed. said:
That's an optimistic viewpoint, the thread about this 2 months ago recognised that risk taking humans would take advantage of safe computers cutting them up etc. A few years down the line the zero death rate of driverless cars will make normal car look like an unacceptable danger.
It would be easier to automate all trains before cars but the market is clearly too small.
We've not outlawed motorbikes, bicycles, horses or any other form of transport based on safety grounds. Why would we do it for cars? It would be easier to automate all trains before cars but the market is clearly too small.
The main point is driverless vehicles could make all human controlled vehicles look dangerous.
Dammit said:
In stark contrast to how joyful rush-hour driving normally is?
If you opaque the windows of your driverless car (why do you need to see out?) you* could experience considerably more "joy" than in a normal car, I submit.
Can be, although not in rush hour granted.If you opaque the windows of your driverless car (why do you need to see out?) you* could experience considerably more "joy" than in a normal car, I submit.
- And a friend
Munter said:
Ed. said:
Mr Will said:
Ed. said:
That's an optimistic viewpoint, the thread about this 2 months ago recognised that risk taking humans would take advantage of safe computers cutting them up etc. A few years down the line the zero death rate of driverless cars will make normal car look like an unacceptable danger.
It would be easier to automate all trains before cars but the market is clearly too small.
We've not outlawed motorbikes, bicycles, horses or any other form of transport based on safety grounds. Why would we do it for cars? It would be easier to automate all trains before cars but the market is clearly too small.
The main point is driverless vehicles could make all human controlled vehicles look dangerous.
As with other niche interests it will become something that has to be justified to those it inconveniences. How do you think insurance companies and dvla will interpret a spirited drive in the countryside in a tracked vehicle. It will come but hopefully not too soon.
Edited by Ed. on Wednesday 30th July 23:28
spikey78 said:
These would never work in a city-every pedestrian/cyclist/motorist would know that you could walk/pull out in front of one and all the emergency gubbings would make it stop. It would never move!
Exactly, every oik under the sun will have a field day. No need to wait at junctions when you see one coming. Some idealistic progressive idiots just haven't thought through the complexities and just how much existing infrastructure and laws/rules will have to be changed.RobDickinson said:
I guess some people just can't see it..
But cars as a service is going to be the future.
UK's vehicle stock is quite young, in 10 - 15 years most cars will be self driving. The change will be rapid.
Somebody better tell the major car companies that a rapid change is coming....But cars as a service is going to be the future.
UK's vehicle stock is quite young, in 10 - 15 years most cars will be self driving. The change will be rapid.
And now back to reality.
Kawasicki said:
Somebody better tell the major car companies that a rapid change is coming....
And now back to reality.
Reality? The reality is PH is full of automotive flat earthers.And now back to reality.
Wikipedia said:
Numerous major companies and research organizations have developed working prototype autonomous vehicles, including Mercedes-Benz, General Motors, Continental Automotive Systems, Autoliv Inc., Bosch, Nissan, Toyota, Audi, Volvo, Vislab from University of Parma, Oxford University and Google.
This is coming, like it or not. How soon will subject to legal issues rather than tech ones. And I'd suggest that as usual money will talk, and the brands above have lots of it.technodup said:
Kawasicki said:
Somebody better tell the major car companies that a rapid change is coming....
And now back to reality.
Reality? The reality is PH is full of automotive flat earthers.And now back to reality.
Wikipedia said:
Numerous major companies and research organizations have developed working prototype autonomous vehicles, including Mercedes-Benz, General Motors, Continental Automotive Systems, Autoliv Inc., Bosch, Nissan, Toyota, Audi, Volvo, Vislab from University of Parma, Oxford University and Google.
This is coming, like it or not. How soon will subject to legal issues rather than tech ones. And I'd suggest that as usual money will talk, and the brands above have lots of it.I thought that about the internet when I was at school.
The tech is done. Governments seem to be broadly approving. Sort the insurance aspect and I can see this taking off quickly once the public are persuaded of the benefits.
I don't think 10-15 years is unrealistic, but it'll come down to cost. I can see this tech being the push that alternative fuels have been waiting for. Granted driverless electric cars isn't a PH answer but Google et al aren't interested in niche car bores.
The tech is done. Governments seem to be broadly approving. Sort the insurance aspect and I can see this taking off quickly once the public are persuaded of the benefits.
I don't think 10-15 years is unrealistic, but it'll come down to cost. I can see this tech being the push that alternative fuels have been waiting for. Granted driverless electric cars isn't a PH answer but Google et al aren't interested in niche car bores.
technodup said:
I thought that about the internet when I was at school.
The tech is done. Governments seem to be broadly approving. Sort the insurance aspect and I can see this taking off quickly once the public are persuaded of the benefits.
I don't think 10-15 years is unrealistic, but it'll come down to cost. I can see this tech being the push that alternative fuels have been waiting for. Granted driverless electric cars isn't a PH answer but Google et al aren't interested in niche car bores.
"UK's vehicle stock is quite young, in 10 - 15 years most cars will be self driving"The tech is done. Governments seem to be broadly approving. Sort the insurance aspect and I can see this taking off quickly once the public are persuaded of the benefits.
I don't think 10-15 years is unrealistic, but it'll come down to cost. I can see this tech being the push that alternative fuels have been waiting for. Granted driverless electric cars isn't a PH answer but Google et al aren't interested in niche car bores.
Would you like to make a bet that in 12.5 years most cars on UK roads will be autonomous?
Also....
Can you point me to the hugely expensive self-driving production car that is on sale now?
This, like every other piece of tech, will first be introduced on expensive niche (PH worthy!)cars...then I estimate it will take between 5-15 years to be introduced on the volume models.
Self-driving is the key, I am not talking about a system you can just switch on to keep you in lane and a set distance from the traffic around you. That is current tech. I am talking about "self driving", you just jump in and it brings you to your destination, junctions/snow/fog/ice..all the rest that the engineers will be very aware exist.
Can you point me to the hugely expensive self-driving production car that is on sale now?
This, like every other piece of tech, will first be introduced on expensive niche (PH worthy!)cars...then I estimate it will take between 5-15 years to be introduced on the volume models.
Self-driving is the key, I am not talking about a system you can just switch on to keep you in lane and a set distance from the traffic around you. That is current tech. I am talking about "self driving", you just jump in and it brings you to your destination, junctions/snow/fog/ice..all the rest that the engineers will be very aware exist.
defblade said:
2 problems here for me:
1) I can't help but remember Volvo's demonstration of their automatic braking system
2) My 13 year old car has a series of problems with its electrics, and it's not alone. There are plenty of tales, just on here even, of new cars with technology faults. Are these cars really going to be working properly (ie, safely) in 13 years time? 10 years? 8? 5? Will there be an expiry date on them, beyond which the manufacturers won't guarantee them working correctly?
Googles cars have covered 750k automated miles on public roads without incident. The cars have been involved in accidents, but only when they were being driven by a human (they have full normal controls).1) I can't help but remember Volvo's demonstration of their automatic braking system
2) My 13 year old car has a series of problems with its electrics, and it's not alone. There are plenty of tales, just on here even, of new cars with technology faults. Are these cars really going to be working properly (ie, safely) in 13 years time? 10 years? 8? 5? Will there be an expiry date on them, beyond which the manufacturers won't guarantee them working correctly?
If something major fails, the car will simply stop safely.
Self driving cars don't need to be perfect, they just need to be better then humans. ABS, ESP etc is not perfect, but its better than 99% of the population.
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