RE: Range Rover Sport SVR 'ring time
Discussion
Max_Torque said:
It's fairly irrelevant, because no one will seriously off-road there RRS due to the fact every stone chip or scratched pannel will knock about £10k off it's value!. People off road Defenders because they are worth the same when scratched / dented as when new, because their value is intrinsic to their capability. For the RRS, their value is as a "show off trinket" to those that drive them (on the road) or parked at the Golf club. Denting one is a massive No-No. Try going to a LR dealer and getting a Trade-in price for a RRS with a dent and scratched panels, they will laugh in your face!
So, whilst all LR products can indeed easily and capably get around off road (or round the Gaydon T&D off road route) you'd have to be mad to do it in your own one ;-)
So it's pretty obvious that a) you have little understanding of Range Rover buyers and b) you really don't like any JLR product going by what you've said in the XE thread also.So, whilst all LR products can indeed easily and capably get around off road (or round the Gaydon T&D off road route) you'd have to be mad to do it in your own one ;-)
If being any good off road didn't matter, why would they still go to the effort of having a fully active 4WD system with a twin speed transfer case? Admittedly it's an option on the base model, but that's just to get the preeners in the door. Everything else is sold with it standard.
It DOES matter to a good %age of buyers. Just because that doesn't seem to be the case in the UK, does not mean it's not the case in the rest of the world!
Max_Torque said:
A.J.M said:
It handles well, can outdrag lots of normal cars, can seat 5 adults with luggage, tow a caravan really well and p
s off lots of people in the process.
What's not to like about it.
The fact it's a triumph of marketing over sense. All of those things on that list (except perhaps pissing off other road users) can be done better, and cheaper by a normal estate or saloon car, without any of the compromised involved with having to make it capable of "going off road" despite the fact exactly none of the people buying that car will actually do so. Added to which, in the UK, LR will sell precisely 3 V8 superchargered Petrol models, and about 50,000 diesel V6s, which can't lap the 'ring in 8.14........s off lots of people in the process.What's not to like about it.
(ok, the V8SC is not really about the UK, but still)
Sometimes it is nice to simply know that the vehicle you purchased is capable of something most others are not; i.e. it has an extra ability you like the notion of for that "one day I may need it" scenario that may never happen - be it going off the beaten track or driving at 200mph.
Just as you find estate cars "better", some of us find SUV's "better". I cannot stand Estate cars (does it show?
) because I find them truly awful things. I also see people carriers as functional appliances but really like SUV's - mostly in 4x4 form. Annoy other road users because, what, they are higher? You must hate buses, vans and trucks then! lol I've had low sports cars that a standard Estate car towers over - did they make me annoyed because they blocked my view ahead? No, I respect other's right to drive such things even if I do not like them personally. So an SUV that can both do off-roading and race around a race Track? Yes, I see the appeal and would own one. Would I take it off-roading? Possibly not. Would I take it to a race Track? Possibly not. Why do I want one? Because I like the tech behind it, I like that if I ever wanted it to do such things it could, even if I never ask it to do so myself. I am a typical example of why LR have made such a vehicle - I really like what it can do and would find it a thrill to own just knowing what it can do.
NomduJour said:
RacerMike said:
How much more extreme would you want from a consumer SUV that is largely driven on road?!
As I said, I know from experience that the Scorpion Zero is as road-biased as a tyre on something like a Range Rover should be (been there, been stuck). In the UK, the most likely issues you face are wet grass and mud - it seems entirely stupid to spend so much time, money and effort equipping a vehicle with technology like Terrain Response and then not even offer the option or choice of a tyre which won't fill its treads with mud within ten feet of the field gate.Put it this way if I bought myself a SVR (or a Disco for that matter) I wouldn't be doing that kind of work in it but its nice to know it can.
MaserBob said:
Can't say I think much to the paint job! Does that make me shallow?
Looks like it has been attacked by a frenzied environmentalist wielding spray gun loaded with co2 absorbing paint.
I see a Cadillac CTS V got round in under 8 seconds (source Wikipedia) so maybe the RR time is not such a big deal.
Are you actually stupid or just trying to wind me up?Looks like it has been attacked by a frenzied environmentalist wielding spray gun loaded with co2 absorbing paint.
I see a Cadillac CTS V got round in under 8 seconds (source Wikipedia) so maybe the RR time is not such a big deal.
Just if it's the former.
1) its still wearing its camo
2) The Cadillac has the same power from a GM sourced SC V8 and its a lot lighter and obviously not being shaped like a outhouse has better aero and lower COG. So it's not really surprising is it especially as the CTS V is actually reviewed as being something that can go round corners. Its basically a 4 door Corvette(ish if squinting).
dukebox9reg said:
Being ex British Army and driving Defenders with proper off road tyres on varying different off-road circuits and few Disco 4s I have now driven with standard Pirelli scorpion tyres, the tyres are more than up to the task of some serious off-roading, wading, wet mud gradient climbing etc.
Not being ex-British Army and having driven Defenders and Discoveries off-road, I can tell you that there are several different tyres in the Pirelli Scorpion range, and the Discovery will likely have been on the aforementioned Zero (not the Verde the L405 can come with). I replaced the OEM Scorpion Zeroes with Scorpion ATRs, which are far better in fields. Not sure what the problem with estate cars is.
St John Smythe said:
I can see a touch of the green eyed monster in a lot of the posts on here. Lets be honest, we'd all love one of these if we could afford it 
I'd like the mechanical upgrades but with heavy duty off-road bumpers and suitable wheels/tyres. Failing that, I'd rather have an Autobiography V8 Diesel for Europe then see about getting some body protection for it.Overall, I love the L405 but it looks as if this model will give with one hand (better on-road performance) but take with the other (worse off-road performance) and bearing in mind that I'm one of the few that likes their 4x4s to get dirty, that would be a problem. I'm happy to be proven wrong though!
Hmmm, is this "record" largely a result of no other manufacturers setting an SUV 'Ring time for the last 5 years? Don't get me wrong, it's a very fast time, it's just JLR have previous with trumpeting dubious records and hollow victories.
It would be interesting to see the JLRRRSSVR (as it shall henceforth be known) benchmarked against its contemporaries.
It would be interesting to see the JLRRRSSVR (as it shall henceforth be known) benchmarked against its contemporaries.
Tarico said:
Hmmm, is this "record" largely a result of no other manufacturers setting an SUV 'Ring time for the last 5 years? Don't get me wrong, it's a very fast time, it's just JLR have previous with trumpeting dubious records and hollow victories.
It would be interesting to see the JLRRRSSVR (as it shall henceforth be known) benchmarked against its contemporaries.
Current Cayenne Turbo S set a published time of 8min15s and the rumour was the Macan Turbo did the same time. There's prior form in this category.It would be interesting to see the JLRRRSSVR (as it shall henceforth be known) benchmarked against its contemporaries.
dvs_dave said:
Quite an achievement, and glad JLR have done it. Let the tdi estate crowd bore everyone to death with their "what's the point" diatribe. In the meantime I'll be applauding such automotive insanity in this day and age.
Although it is impressive, its not that hard to make it quick around a track. If it also drives well on the road with the same set up then that will be an acheivement. Im sure it will do though.MaserBob; its still in camo because it hasn't been revealed yet, which was why the Goodwood car was dressed in Union Jack camo too.
The car you see in the pic has been running round the ring since March this year.
Thiscocks; As for not being that difficult to make a car fast round a track; it's harder than you think...but it does drive that well on the road too.
The car you see in the pic has been running round the ring since March this year.
Thiscocks; As for not being that difficult to make a car fast round a track; it's harder than you think...but it does drive that well on the road too.
Some people just don't seem to be happy. Mac P1 no 'ring time people complain... You get a 'ring time and ooh complaints! 
How is this different than a Supercar/Divers Watch etc. You buy it because it can.
As someone who bought an off-roader worth half the price of my house and then turning up at an off-road club to use it, I would do both!
Celebrate making a superb machine that does it at all.
How is this different than a Supercar/Divers Watch etc. You buy it because it can.
As someone who bought an off-roader worth half the price of my house and then turning up at an off-road club to use it, I would do both!
Celebrate making a superb machine that does it at all.
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