RE: Mercedes S-Class Coupe prices confirmed

[Atmospheric]

kambites said:

pSyCoSiS said:

That is seriously expensive, but suppose all of the top-end big Mercs always have been

It's almost £80k more than the M6 Gran Coupe!

Is it not a full class above the 6 series?

Sort of agree Kambites. But eighty thousand pounds? That is an awful lot, and I suspect with options it'd be more like £100k.

Imagine on what you can spend with the difference!

[Atmospheric]

Point of order chaps - anyone who thinks these cars are making their standard power figure are very much mistaken.

These high-end German V8s are often making well in excess of 630bhp now (especially BMW, as it happens), and an 2014 Audi S8 was found to be making 590bhp. So, as for the S65 V12 published power figure, I'd bet that it would be very conservative. I bet the S500 is making the same number as it's badge. Crazy!

Edited by Atmospheric on Thursday 31st July 22:46

[gigglebug]

Atmospheric said:

kambites said:

pSyCoSiS said:

That is seriously expensive, but suppose all of the top-end big Mercs always have been

It's almost £80k more than the M6 Gran Coupe!

Is it not a full class above the 6 series?

Sort of agree Kambites. But eighty thousand pounds? That is an awful lot, and I suspect with options it'd be more like £100k.

Imagine on what you can spend with the difference!

To be fair I managed to spec an M6 Gran Coupe up to around 140K such is the choice of options and their cost so it'll be interesting to see how far north of the 200K mark you'll be able to get the S65 coupe. There are always going to be comparisons on what you could get for the same money but that's not really the point is it? How many different amazing cars could you get for the 1.35 million being asked for the RHD Pagani Huayra for sale at the moment? Lots and lots I expect! It wouldn't stop me wanting the Pagani though and if I could afford a Pagani the last thing I'd be worrying about is whether or not something else was cheaper or better value in some way. It'll be the same for the Merc. If you want it and can afford it the cost of the opposition and what you might be able to buy for the same price would be irrelevant as you could probably buy them as well

[Prawnboy]

old man pedant would also like to say that the M6 you are talking about is NOT a coupé.

[E65Ross]

A question for those naysayers...

Name me a cheaper, new car which does the job of this cars intended purpose better. As an ultimate GT comfortable uber barge I can only think of possibly the Rolls Royce Wraith. Anything from Bentley won't come close.

[FrankUnderwood]

E65Ross said:

Davey S2 said:

E65Ross said:

Davey S2 said:

Staggering that ceramics are an option at this price.

Like they were on the McLaren 12C?

Yes just as staggering.

Why? In most cases a well set-up steel system will be MORE than up to the job of what the car will do; as well as generally offering better feel through the pedal and being more consistent through general daily driving temperatures.

I think it's more staggering that they're offered on a road car. Steel setups work on many race cars including the Aston Martin Vantage GTE that races at Lemans. I'm not sure what real benefit they bring to road cars.

[Lost soul]

irish boy said:

MaserBob said:

hankering for a C140 as a daily driver - difficult to find a good one though.

This chap has the best reputation in the classic merc business, click on the coming soon section and there is a c140.

http://www.mtsv.co.uk/Showroom.htm

Ohh Mummy look

http://www.mtsv.co.uk/info/500SEPB2.htm

[FrankUnderwood]

Atmospheric said:

Point of order chaps - anyone who thinks these cars are making their standard power figure are very much mistaken.

These high-end German V8s are often making well in excess of 630bhp now (especially BMW, as it happens), and an 2014 Audi S8 was found to be making 590bhp. So, as for the S65 V12 published power figure, I'd bet that it would be very conservative. I bet the S500 is making the same number as it's badge. Crazy!

Edited by Atmospheric on Thursday 31st July 22:46

Depends on the accuracy of testing, multiple tests on one machine could give false results as could multiple runs on different machines.

I'd go on the manufacturers data, the multi billion company who designed it are most likely to have the correct figures along with properly calibrated machines. Plus they'll know from calculations what the power is.

Edited by FrankUnderwood on Friday 1st August 19:11

[Swordman]

Only a peasant would buy an S500.

[Debaser]

FrankUnderwood said:

E65Ross said:

Davey S2 said:

E65Ross said:

Davey S2 said:

Staggering that ceramics are an option at this price.

Like they were on the McLaren 12C?

Yes just as staggering.

Why? In most cases a well set-up steel system will be MORE than up to the job of what the car will do; as well as generally offering better feel through the pedal and being more consistent through general daily driving temperatures.

I think it's more staggering that they're offered on a road car. Steel setups work on many race cars including the Aston Martin Vantage GTE that races at Lemans. I'm not sure what real benefit they bring to road cars.

Lower unsprung mass.

[E65Ross]

Debaser said:

FrankUnderwood said:

E65Ross said:

Davey S2 said:

E65Ross said:

Davey S2 said:

Staggering that ceramics are an option at this price.

Like they were on the McLaren 12C?

Yes just as staggering.

Why? In most cases a well set-up steel system will be MORE than up to the job of what the car will do; as well as generally offering better feel through the pedal and being more consistent through general daily driving temperatures.

I think it's more staggering that they're offered on a road car. Steel setups work on many race cars including the Aston Martin Vantage GTE that races at Lemans. I'm not sure what real benefit they bring to road cars.

Lower unsprung mass.

So, so vital on an uber 2+ tonne barge.

The weight difference between a good steel set up and a carbon isn't that big. The McLaren 12C's steel set up was just 600gs heavier per corner at the rear, 2.2kgs per corner at the front. You'll get differences that big with changing certain tyres.

[Debaser]

E65Ross said:

Debaser said:

FrankUnderwood said:

E65Ross said:

Davey S2 said:

E65Ross said:

Davey S2 said:

Staggering that ceramics are an option at this price.

Like they were on the McLaren 12C?

Yes just as staggering.

Why? In most cases a well set-up steel system will be MORE than up to the job of what the car will do; as well as generally offering better feel through the pedal and being more consistent through general daily driving temperatures.

I think it's more staggering that they're offered on a road car. Steel setups work on many race cars including the Aston Martin Vantage GTE that races at Lemans. I'm not sure what real benefit they bring to road cars.

Lower unsprung mass.

So, so vital on an uber 2+ tonne barge.

The weight difference between a good steel set up and a carbon isn't that big. The McLaren 12C's steel set up was just 600gs heavier per corner at the rear, 2.2kgs per corner at the front. You'll get differences that big with changing certain tyres.

No, not vital. If they were vital they wouldn't be optional.

Do you think ceramic brakes make no difference?

[FrankUnderwood]

Swordman said:

Only a peasant would buy an S500.

No that's reserved for any diesel model of any series of car

Happily the CL doesn't have a diesel as it's a totally uncomprimised car.

[EricE]

Ladies and gentlemen, we have a new depreciation king.

[FrankUnderwood]

Debaser said:

No, not vital. If they were vital they wouldn't be optional.

Do you think ceramic brakes make no difference?

On the A34 just outside Oxford... Not really

Under extreme conditions I imagine they do, but since when do reach extreme conditions on the road?

Edited by FrankUnderwood on Friday 1st August 20:38

[E65Ross]

Debaser said:

No, not vital. If they were vital they wouldn't be optional.

Do you think ceramic brakes make no difference?

That's not what I'm saying. I'm saying that for general road use in a car like this they can be the less desirable option. Poorer pedal feel with a poor initial bite, especially from cold means they aren't as nice to use in certain situations.

[Debaser]

FrankUnderwood said:

Debaser said:

No, not vital. If they were vital they wouldn't be optional.

Do you think ceramic brakes make no difference?

On the A34 just outside Oxford... Not really

Under extreme conditions I imagine they do, but since when do reach extreme conditions on the road?

Edited by FrankUnderwood on Friday 1st August 20:38

Most people would easily notice the difference on the A34. You'd notice the improvement cruising along at the speed limit, nothing extreme required.

[FrankUnderwood]

Debaser said:

FrankUnderwood said:

Debaser said:

No, not vital. If they were vital they wouldn't be optional.

Do you think ceramic brakes make no difference?

On the A34 just outside Oxford... Not really

Under extreme conditions I imagine they do, but since when do reach extreme conditions on the road?

Edited by FrankUnderwood on Friday 1st August 20:38

Most people would easily notice the difference on the A34. You'd notice the improvement cruising along at the speed limit, nothing extreme required.

How and why?

[Debaser]

FrankUnderwood said:

Debaser said:

FrankUnderwood said:

Debaser said:

No, not vital. If they were vital they wouldn't be optional.

Do you think ceramic brakes make no difference?

On the A34 just outside Oxford... Not really

Under extreme conditions I imagine they do, but since when do reach extreme conditions on the road?

Edited by FrankUnderwood on Friday 1st August 20:38

Most people would easily notice the difference on the A34. You'd notice the improvement cruising along at the speed limit, nothing extreme required.

How and why?

Lower unsprung mass results in the chassis having less work to do to control the movement of the mass at that corner as the car drives over inputs. Higher unsprung mass is harder to control, resulting in more unwanted movement of the wheel - you'll feel this in the vehicle as a poorer ride.

[E65Ross]

Debaser said:

Lower unsprung mass results in the chassis having less work to do to control the movement of the mass at that corner as the car drives over inputs. Higher unsprung mass is harder to control, resulting in more unwanted movement of the wheel - you'll feel this in the vehicle as a poorer ride.

Have you been in one of these? By all accounts because of the magic ride but have you been in a previous CL? The ride quality is sublime. I went in a CL63 and it was really rather nice. Brakes were fine too even from well north of 100.