Got my DPF cleaned out
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rigga said:
Not true unfortunately, modern direct injection engines coke up badly, especially around the inlet valves as being direct injection no fuel with special cleaning agents goes anywhere near them.
Still not sold on the terraclean system.
Yes, most of the inlet ports and manifolds I have removed or seen have been clogged right up to and including the throttle body,some to the point of wondering how the thing actually got going!Still not sold on the terraclean system.
I had a Zafira about 4 years ago that had the DPF light coming on. Brought it to a local mechanic who took it to Hursts Belfast (main dealer) to sort. They 'cleaned' the DPF and charged £200. No DPF light and all seemed well.
I sold the car 4 days later - got a call from the guy saying that the car went into some sort of limp mode on his way home. He got his mate to put it on computer and it showed that the DPF was completely blocked. I ended up giving him £1000 to sort it and vowed never to buy from Hursts for fobbing us off in such a way.
I sold the car 4 days later - got a call from the guy saying that the car went into some sort of limp mode on his way home. He got his mate to put it on computer and it showed that the DPF was completely blocked. I ended up giving him £1000 to sort it and vowed never to buy from Hursts for fobbing us off in such a way.
rickbrown74 said:
I had a Zafira about 4 years ago that had the DPF light coming on. Brought it to a local mechanic who took it to Hursts Belfast (main dealer) to sort. They 'cleaned' the DPF and charged £200. No DPF light and all seemed well.
I sold the car 4 days later - got a call from the guy saying that the car went into some sort of limp mode on his way home. He got his mate to put it on computer and it showed that the DPF was completely blocked. I ended up giving him £1000 to sort it and vowed never to buy from Hursts for fobbing us off in such a way.
They probably got someone to drive it up the motorway at 5k revs in 3rd for a couple of miles, just to get the light to go out. £200 easy money.I sold the car 4 days later - got a call from the guy saying that the car went into some sort of limp mode on his way home. He got his mate to put it on computer and it showed that the DPF was completely blocked. I ended up giving him £1000 to sort it and vowed never to buy from Hursts for fobbing us off in such a way.
This regeneration thing irritates me - when it was just a light coming on you could clear it easily enough with the "blast" I mentioned above. The regen system means you have no control over what happens - it burns the DPF when it deems necessary, and quite honestly the smell and the noise p***es me off. It's done it on my car after a 20 mile run at 60mph cruisiong - quite how that qualifies as "low speed town work" I don't know.I assume that it just regens automatically every few hundred miles or something like that. Annoying.
shoehorn said:
H100S said:
This is nonsense, dealers use DPF cleaning equipment frequently.
Certainly,it was a service manager from a large dealer network that told me about the brick acid trick a few years back!I had heard tale,from 2 different sources of a *dealer drilling a one inch hole through them with a masonary/sds drill bit and then refitting them regularly for warranty jobs on their cars fitted with the PSA DV6 engine.
Apparently that is the perfect amount for it to register as good but still retain/send the right sort of data to the ecu,alarming really.
- Cant name and shame but think Michael Caine and gold bars.
Bedford?
Fiat?
If the last one, I didn't think they used the PSA Diesel V6 engine...
I've just read some of the Q&As, the best being:
Q. Is TerraClean any better than the pour-in I have been using for years ?
A. Yes. TerraClean is unique in the system of cleaning. It is not just about the chemistry, it uses patented technology. TerraClean cleans from Injectors through the combustion process and cleans post combustion too. Thus cleaning EGR & Diesel Particulate Filters.
..as if being patented makes is somehow superior.
Q. Is TerraClean any better than the pour-in I have been using for years ?
A. Yes. TerraClean is unique in the system of cleaning. It is not just about the chemistry, it uses patented technology. TerraClean cleans from Injectors through the combustion process and cleans post combustion too. Thus cleaning EGR & Diesel Particulate Filters.
..as if being patented makes is somehow superior.
Thus cleaning EGR & Diesel Particulate Filters.citation needed
When you are over a barrel with an expensive repair looming, everyone will try a £8 bottle of snake oil as a gamble.
If it works, great, if it doesn't, it's only a few quid.
Great news for the additive manufacturers selling stuff like cracked block repair stuff, stop leak oil additives and cleaners, because people half expect them not to work, and might even be stupid enough to buy another bottle just to be sure.
When you are over a barrel with an expensive repair looming, everyone will try a £8 bottle of snake oil as a gamble.
If it works, great, if it doesn't, it's only a few quid.
Great news for the additive manufacturers selling stuff like cracked block repair stuff, stop leak oil additives and cleaners, because people half expect them not to work, and might even be stupid enough to buy another bottle just to be sure.
I have a DPF problem with my Volvo V70 D5.
It has been to the garage 3 times now , run a forced regen first time , then a sensor , then some magic potion and a forced regen.
Still getting soot filter full messages and limp mode
Car gets driven hard and on long journeys.
Now told it needs a new DPF , cost including oil and filter change is £ 830 at Volvo main dealer.
OR
Local garage will cut into the filter , remove the guts and then program the ecu for £ 500 , guaranteeing better performance and fuel consumption.
Any thoughts on what way to go ?
It has been to the garage 3 times now , run a forced regen first time , then a sensor , then some magic potion and a forced regen.
Still getting soot filter full messages and limp mode
Car gets driven hard and on long journeys.
Now told it needs a new DPF , cost including oil and filter change is £ 830 at Volvo main dealer.
OR
Local garage will cut into the filter , remove the guts and then program the ecu for £ 500 , guaranteeing better performance and fuel consumption.
Any thoughts on what way to go ?
To those who do this professionally - aren't there regulations in place to prevent the purpose of a DPF being somewhat compromised if in offering a chemical cleaning process the car produces large clouds of pollutants?
Surely replacement would be the only legal solution, or cleaning whereby the particulates were recovered rather than blowing them out in to the atmosphere?
Surely replacement would be the only legal solution, or cleaning whereby the particulates were recovered rather than blowing them out in to the atmosphere?
And to think these are meant to make cars net cleaner over their lifetime.
Clouds of black smoke, chemical cleaning, hundreds of litres of polluted water to clean, brick cleaner, inefficient operating when they are not running, de-activations. Yadda yadda.
Imo these systems should have warranties that last 50 years enforced by the same EU laws that put them there, then we might see manufacturers putting some effort into them...
Clouds of black smoke, chemical cleaning, hundreds of litres of polluted water to clean, brick cleaner, inefficient operating when they are not running, de-activations. Yadda yadda.
Imo these systems should have warranties that last 50 years enforced by the same EU laws that put them there, then we might see manufacturers putting some effort into them...
Mr Whippy said:
And to think these are meant to make cars net cleaner over their lifetime.
Clouds of black smoke, chemical cleaning, hundreds of litres of polluted water to clean, brick cleaner, inefficient operating when they are not running, de-activations. Yadda yadda.
Imo these systems should have warranties that last 50 years enforced by the same EU laws that put them there, then we might see manufacturers putting some effort into them...
They do if the car isn't driven as it's meant to be - who's ever been asked by a salesman how many miles a year they cover before when buying I diesel - I certainly haven't. They probably take the view that by the time the DPF problem rears it's head the car will be out of any sort of warranty, so they won't have to fix it. Clouds of black smoke, chemical cleaning, hundreds of litres of polluted water to clean, brick cleaner, inefficient operating when they are not running, de-activations. Yadda yadda.
Imo these systems should have warranties that last 50 years enforced by the same EU laws that put them there, then we might see manufacturers putting some effort into them...
Edited by Monty Python on Thursday 7th August 15:41
Monty Python said:
Mr Whippy said:
And to think these are meant to make cars net cleaner over their lifetime.
Clouds of black smoke, chemical cleaning, hundreds of litres of polluted water to clean, brick cleaner, inefficient operating when they are not running, de-activations. Yadda yadda.
Imo these systems should have warranties that last 50 years enforced by the same EU laws that put them there, then we might see manufacturers putting some effort into them...
They do if the car is driven as it's meant to be - who's ever been asked by a salesman how many miles a year they cover before when buying I diesel - I certainly haven't. They probably take the view that by the time the DPF problem rears it's head the car will be out of any sort of warranty, so they won't have to fix it. Clouds of black smoke, chemical cleaning, hundreds of litres of polluted water to clean, brick cleaner, inefficient operating when they are not running, de-activations. Yadda yadda.
Imo these systems should have warranties that last 50 years enforced by the same EU laws that put them there, then we might see manufacturers putting some effort into them...
In any case I'm struggling to see if there is a net environmental gain by having DPF.
If the gain is marginal overall, not better to spend that cash on things that then have a better overall environmental impact?
Dave
delboy735 said:
I'm going to sound really stupid now.....and not for the first time, how do you know if your car actually has DPF. I know mine has an EGR valve, that is becoming blocked up again, but don't know about a DPF. How do I find out ?
Have a look at the tail pipe, non DPFs usually point down to the tarmac, DPF equipped cars point out like a petrol.That's more of a styling thing though, but a DPF equipped car will have a tail pipe you would swear is a fake cut off for looks that has never had anything through it, whilst a non DPF will be as black as hell.
.jamieduff1981 said:
stuff about a bit of pollution
I take it you have never witnessed a dpf regen taking place,it does not burn all the soot away rather just a bit of it,the loosened soot that hasnt burnt off ends up coming out of the tailpipe in fecking huge plumes.Its nothing more than a colostomy bag for cars,it does not magic the problem away,
it just hides it.
But at the end you are still left with a container full of s
t you need to empty from time to timeJust like a colostomy bag dpf`s just keep it in one place rather than spread everywhere.
delboy735 said:
I'm going to sound really stupid now.....and not for the first time, how do you know if your car actually has DPF. I know mine has an EGR valve, that is becoming blocked up again, but don't know about a DPF. How do I find out ?
Take a look at your engine code BKD is non dpf,BMM is dpf.
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