RE: Future proof: PH Blog
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bozzy101 said:
A Renault Sport Clio 200 when they are £2000 like their 172/182 predecessors.
I'm not sure they will. My reasoning behind buying a mint Cup with Recaros and speedlines was the great reception they got when new and being the last of the line of the N/A F4R lump in a Renault Sport hatch. The car that replaced it is very different. I predict possible future classic which will do classic future group tests. (Fingers crossed for me anyway :-) )unsprung said:
Sounds like a reasonable concern. But it's still early days for the all-electrics. In the near future, a breakdown will be less costly. Production volumes will rise, and much of the silicon bits will be identical across vehicles. Much will be plug-and-play.
It depends how many complicated electronic systems future cars will have (I imagine there will be basic and "premium" models to rent) - and I don't just mean those that are directly part of the drivetrain. - Already, some used cars are too complex to consider once they age (early 2000s Merc CL anyone?)...I predict that's only going to get worse. Still, if they are all rented, the cost of maintenance and repairs will probably be divided between the users and incorporated into the monthly(?) charge.unsprung said:
Your comment about cars being disposable is especially interesting. Imagine how a manufacturer would design a driverless car intended solely for group use - for use by subscribers in the so-called sharing economy. This would be unlike almost any car sold today.
I think Google et al are already some way down that path. unsprung said:
On the one hand, there will be these shared cars or driverless pods. And on the other, I reckon we'll see individually-owned vehicles that offer even higher levels of personalization, at lower production volumes, than is available today.
One interesting article:
Self-driving cars will set off an economic and cultural earthquake
Yes...I see all of that coming and TBH I don't have much hope for an enjoyable future as a car enthusiast. - I fear that all we're doing is rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic.One interesting article:
Self-driving cars will set off an economic and cultural earthquake
In a few years I'm likely to have small children and lack of space/disposable cash for separate 2 seater toys, so something with rear doors that can still make me smile will be important.
I fancy a 2015 Honda Civic Type R by about 2020.
It's even got 5 doors and a sizeable boot to act as a sensible family car, honest...
On a more accessible level, a current gen Focus ST-3 seems like a feasible aim.
While it's not a current car, I'm tempted by the idea of tucking a Corrado G60 away for a few years and bringing it out to play occasionally. I imagine in a few years, a Megane 250/265 will inspire similar nostalgia.
I fancy a 2015 Honda Civic Type R by about 2020.
It's even got 5 doors and a sizeable boot to act as a sensible family car, honest...
On a more accessible level, a current gen Focus ST-3 seems like a feasible aim.
While it's not a current car, I'm tempted by the idea of tucking a Corrado G60 away for a few years and bringing it out to play occasionally.
I imagine in a few years, a Megane 250/265 will inspire similar nostalgia.GT86/BRZ will be the one for many.
It is akin to the Integra DC2 in its time.
Medium-sized Japanese coupe built around driver involvement, seats 4, mechanically robust, loads of luggage space.
My DC2 is all the car I need (I'll likely still have it in 10 years!) but a GT86/BRZ may arrive at some point.
It is akin to the Integra DC2 in its time.
Medium-sized Japanese coupe built around driver involvement, seats 4, mechanically robust, loads of luggage space.
My DC2 is all the car I need (I'll likely still have it in 10 years!) but a GT86/BRZ may arrive at some point.
is1 said:
GT86/BRZ will be the one for many.
It is akin to the Integra DC2 in its time.
Medium-sized Japanese coupe built around driver involvement, seats 4, mechanically robust, loads of luggage space.
My DC2 is all the car I need (I'll likely still have it in 10 years!) but a GT86/BRZ may arrive at some point.
We looked at them, but "seats 4" is pushing it. With the driver's seat in a decent position, the legroom in the back disappeared. Had the same when comparing 911 to Evora - the Evora's rear seats are basically shelves unless the driver is 4ft tall.It is akin to the Integra DC2 in its time.
Medium-sized Japanese coupe built around driver involvement, seats 4, mechanically robust, loads of luggage space.
My DC2 is all the car I need (I'll likely still have it in 10 years!) but a GT86/BRZ may arrive at some point.
DC2 integra. Ahh i have a soft spot for them still.
dapearson said:
We looked at them, but "seats 4" is pushing it. With the driver's seat in a decent position, the legroom in the back disappeared. Had the same when comparing 911 to Evora - the Evora's rear seats are basically shelves unless the driver is 4ft tall.
DC2 integra. Ahh i have a soft spot for them still.
Fair point, although I still think notionally having a pair of rear seats is an added appeal for it over Boxsters, MX5s and the like.DC2 integra. Ahh i have a soft spot for them still.
In fact, as the prices (eventually) start to get below £10K, I have a feeling this is going to be one hell of a cult car as people can then start justifying superchargers, wheels etc.
The OEM+ recipe for it is something else in the current environment.
It's just a shame I don't see that many of them :-C
is1 said:
Fair point, although I still think notionally having a pair of rear seats is an added appeal for it over Boxsters, MX5s and the like.
In fact, as the prices (eventually) start to get below £10K, I have a feeling this is going to be one hell of a cult car as people can then start justifying superchargers, wheels etc.
The OEM+ recipe for it is something else in the current environment.
It's just a shame I don't see that many of them :-C
I think you're absolutely right. They will be the 200SX/350Z/Celica/Hyundai Coupe/etc for the next 15 years i would guess.In fact, as the prices (eventually) start to get below £10K, I have a feeling this is going to be one hell of a cult car as people can then start justifying superchargers, wheels etc.
The OEM+ recipe for it is something else in the current environment.
It's just a shame I don't see that many of them :-C
I'd have one, but not until they're well below £10k. I sat in one and it felt like it was worth that kind of cash.
Ok so I meant to ask...
Is buying a used car become less competitive?
Let me put some context to this question. I am asking about purchases which mainly concern those looking for a "daily". The reason I ask this is usually everyone points out the huge 1st year depreciation new vehicles suffer as soon as they are "driven off the lot".
HOWEVER, dealerships have been increasingly creative and aggressive with their marketing over the last few years and it is not uncommon to see substantial value-added offers being bundled into the purchase price such as: "free" servicing, comprehensive insurance and roadside assistance..all covering the span of 2-4 years. So I am asking, does that value-added offset the depreciation you suffer on a new purchase?
Is buying a used car become less competitive?
Let me put some context to this question. I am asking about purchases which mainly concern those looking for a "daily". The reason I ask this is usually everyone points out the huge 1st year depreciation new vehicles suffer as soon as they are "driven off the lot".
HOWEVER, dealerships have been increasingly creative and aggressive with their marketing over the last few years and it is not uncommon to see substantial value-added offers being bundled into the purchase price such as: "free" servicing, comprehensive insurance and roadside assistance..all covering the span of 2-4 years. So I am asking, does that value-added offset the depreciation you suffer on a new purchase?
- Used purchases in this case I consider to be on average 3 years old, and may be still the "current spec" of that model.
Well, in 6 months my clio has depreciated barely at all, in 4 years time I'd love to be able to chop it in for an E46 M3 or maybe a 1 series super Beemer.
The thing that interests me is how future proof are the new ever more clever technology in modern cars?
As someone mentioned previously, a Clio rs200 (for example) is a vastly simpler car to its flappy paddle gearbox wearing replacement.
Maybe in 10 years time we'll be viewing Bmw's turbo engines in the same vain as the Rover k series?
The thing that interests me is how future proof are the new ever more clever technology in modern cars?
As someone mentioned previously, a Clio rs200 (for example) is a vastly simpler car to its flappy paddle gearbox wearing replacement.
Maybe in 10 years time we'll be viewing Bmw's turbo engines in the same vain as the Rover k series?
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.I'd agree.... Until i started warching and reading reviews of the I8.
The only car i'd ever consider swapping the 1m for - hopefully in 5 years time they'll be worth the same anyway (wishful thinking, but you never know...)
Just bought a Clio Trophy that i'm pretty sure i'll *never* sell - that and the 1M would do me fine forever, except for that absolutely facinating I8...
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I figure the trophy can be the proper analogue driver's car and the I8 can be Weird Fascinating Thing From The Future .... Than also does 1000 miles between fill-ups, and pootle around town in electric only. It would go nowhere near a trackday!It will pass though as soon as they pop up everywhere... Which sadly is the only way they'll get close to 45-50 grand in a timeframe quick enough to avoid being replaced in my head by something else more weird and wonderful i'm sure...
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