Pistonheads the future
Discussion
Thankyou4calling said:
I take all that on board. But why do you close threads and ban members so readily nowadays ?
It's impossible to please everybody. You think the forum is over-moderated whilst others think there are too many idiots and dumb threads floating around. Everyone will have their own opinion on where the line sits.I ran a large forum for a few years. Never again, it's just constant b
hing about everything you do or change.AudiSport said:
I work with someone who is always complaining about their job, how crap it is and how nothing ever changes... They still come back in every day though ; )
This whole 'it never used to be like this' chat has always gone on, from pubs and sports clubs, to companies and villages... In the modern world we are even using this language to discuss forums! How very strange.
If you don't like it, just move on!
This. End of thread.This whole 'it never used to be like this' chat has always gone on, from pubs and sports clubs, to companies and villages... In the modern world we are even using this language to discuss forums! How very strange.
If you don't like it, just move on!
Would I be correct in assuming posts are being deleted as the forum needs to be tidied up for commercial reasons.
If a post is deleted can the masses be made aware of it so we know how heavily it's being moderated. Simply leave the persons name etc , remove text and put post moderated and a reason against it. I've been on a forum which was moderated for commercial reasons as a manufacturer took an interest. Wasn't good , hence my questioning it here
If a post is deleted can the masses be made aware of it so we know how heavily it's being moderated. Simply leave the persons name etc , remove text and put post moderated and a reason against it. I've been on a forum which was moderated for commercial reasons as a manufacturer took an interest. Wasn't good , hence my questioning it here
Stuart J said:
Would I be correct in assuming posts are being deleted as the forum needs to be tidied up for commercial reasons.
If a post is deleted can the masses be made aware of it so we know how heavily it's being moderated. Simply leave the persons name etc , remove text and put post moderated and a reason against it. I've been on a forum which was moderated for commercial reasons as a manufacturer took an interest. Wasn't good , hence my questioning it here
Or monetise it by replacing the text with a paying as for Vagisil?If a post is deleted can the masses be made aware of it so we know how heavily it's being moderated. Simply leave the persons name etc , remove text and put post moderated and a reason against it. I've been on a forum which was moderated for commercial reasons as a manufacturer took an interest. Wasn't good , hence my questioning it here
I joined Pistonheads because I had a TVR and people are very helpful on here (it's by your left knee) and I have seen some great posters disappear by the wayside which is a shame sometimes because they have pushed their luck.
I know things have to change and I understand that. Personally I don't find the adverts intrusive and sometimes the ones at the bottom are interesting and worth a click.
BUT What I do find more of is people being far more aggressive than they were and shockingly some posters actually seem anti car(!)
PS: Still waiting for my invite
I know things have to change and I understand that. Personally I don't find the adverts intrusive and sometimes the ones at the bottom are interesting and worth a click.
BUT What I do find more of is people being far more aggressive than they were and shockingly some posters actually seem anti car(!)
PS: Still waiting for my invite
However, the "click here to revert to the old header" button that was included was used by less than 1% of visitors - perhaps this is an indication that sometimes people just have a knee-jerk reaction to change, but then get used to it and see the value and improvement over time.
I was, until it disappeared a few days ago, probably the '1%' that you refer too.
I didn't like the new header when it was introduced & I still don't like the new header. However I have no choice now & I guess that after a few days or so I will get used to it & it won't bother me.
Didn't understand why the header was changed however it has been changed so move on,
I for one probably would not use PH if a annual fee was charged.
For those of us old enough to remember there used a be a great website called Friends Reunited.
Which was run exceptionally well, had all sorts of things going on - school reunions, old 'boyfriends & girlfriends' from schooldays getting back together, some superb forums & chat groups where were set up in the aftermath of 9/11 so that people in the UK could try to contact friends & relatives in the USA who might have been affected by those awful events in New York.
And then it became too commercial, started to charge a fee, banned members ona regular basis for the flimsiest of reasons & within months it virtually imploded.
So I for one hope that PH doesn't make the same mistake.
I personally prefer the 'it isn't broke so don't fix it' approach although I do appreciate the fact that PH is a business & that it must move with the times.
I was, until it disappeared a few days ago, probably the '1%' that you refer too.
I didn't like the new header when it was introduced & I still don't like the new header. However I have no choice now & I guess that after a few days or so I will get used to it & it won't bother me.
Didn't understand why the header was changed however it has been changed so move on,
I for one probably would not use PH if a annual fee was charged.
For those of us old enough to remember there used a be a great website called Friends Reunited.
Which was run exceptionally well, had all sorts of things going on - school reunions, old 'boyfriends & girlfriends' from schooldays getting back together, some superb forums & chat groups where were set up in the aftermath of 9/11 so that people in the UK could try to contact friends & relatives in the USA who might have been affected by those awful events in New York.
And then it became too commercial, started to charge a fee, banned members ona regular basis for the flimsiest of reasons & within months it virtually imploded.
So I for one hope that PH doesn't make the same mistake.
I personally prefer the 'it isn't broke so don't fix it' approach although I do appreciate the fact that PH is a business & that it must move with the times.
Morningside said:
I joined Pistonheads because I had a TVR and people are very helpful on here (it's by your left knee) and I have seen some great posters disappear by the wayside which is a shame sometimes because they have pushed their luck.
I know things have to change and I understand that. Personally I don't find the adverts intrusive and sometimes the ones at the bottom are interesting and worth a click.
BUT What I do find more of is people being far more aggressive than they were and shockingly some posters actually seem anti car(!)
PS: Still waiting for my invite
I also joined having found PH via TVR ownership. I know things have to change and I understand that. Personally I don't find the adverts intrusive and sometimes the ones at the bottom are interesting and worth a click.
BUT What I do find more of is people being far more aggressive than they were and shockingly some posters actually seem anti car(!)
PS: Still waiting for my invite
Some parts of the rest of the site have definitely become more violent. Less clever humour and more instant conflict. The news and politics forum is like a whites-only Yates Wine Lodge on pensioner night and General Gassing is like Dadsnet with all its anodyne what debt questions and chastisements etc.
But the tone does seem to have lowered a lot but it seems to be down to the sheer number of angry old people around these days. There's an army of over 55s desperate to take offense at everything and vent some weird rage. It's all over the place.
Having said that, in fairness to PH, I am ten+ years older since joining and find many forms of media from ten years ago to be different now, so my age is clearly having an impact and in the more specialist sub forums you find all the old bits that make the site great. People having a bit of a joke while sharing brilliant knowledge.
That's why I think PH should boost the specialist sub forums by offering packages to all the people running indy car sites to trade a bit of control for a consistent revenue stream. I think that bringing some of the small, specialist forums into a kind of PH sub brand that draws all PH eyeballs but filters out the less interested would be a real boost. It would help keep some great forums alive with much of their integrity intact and expand the draw of PH. From club sites to marque and model sites there is some great stuff out there but they all suffer from the same problem that after a few years the owner is still paying personally and not getting any revenue from GoogleAds etc and they die off.
At the same time there are people who would like to launch a forum and this same sub brand,,or whatever, could be used to incubate ideas that have passed a series of checks and controls.
You mean like using American spellings? s p a c e m a n said:
Definitely not a brilliant example but it's the most recent: There's a mass exodus in the Porsche sub forum at the moment because as I understand it someone was banned for posting a picture of their bum, so they're all sodding off to another forum. So that's a load of members that probably used to browse the whole site that will no longer bother and new members won't join because that forum will be quiet and the 911 forum will be busy. The whole forum has become like that, the sub forums have become smaller and have less traffic so people are logging on elsewhere and staying there rather than floating around all of PH.
I read some of the threads in the Porsche forum about the banning of one user (for his second breach of the rules) and was amazed by the attitudes of some of the posters. To me it seemed they were of the opinion that PH was lucky and honoured that they deigned to post on here. It was also interesting to find out that the banned user had multiple profiles on here and that the image they posted was also removed on another forum...It wasn't so different from the reaction of some of the posters to the reorganisation of the Porsche forum - there was anger that the owners of the site had dared to make changes without getting the permission of certain posters.
Nostalgia. Not as good a it used to be 
Yeah, it has changed a lot over the years, I remember when all this was fields etc.
It's far more mainstream now, however I don't think the 'essence' of the forums has been lost as such - we merely have a far bigger, more diverse pool of posters than before. I agree about the moderation being a wee bit more strict - but I guess that's a sign of the times, more people posting = more crap posted. If there was far less moderation, then we'd have tons more crap to wade through - and arguably standards would slip.
Imagine if the moderation slacked off and we lost our tight 'grammar, punctuation, spelling and legibility' policy? I would throw myself under a bus if that happened
The key to continued enjoyment is to do what I do - never get involved with arguing to the point it descends into abuse, and treat people with respect (yes it is words on t'internet - but that doesn't mean that there isn't a human being behind each post). Like road rage, it is sometimes easy to 'de-humanise' posts, and react in a manner which one would never react in real life, face to face.
Lastly, although some of my posts can be a wee-bit long-winded (as I have been ribbed about in the past ) I try to post stuff which is at least a bit interesting and maybe informative or helpful.
Anyway, I've been here a long time, and I still love it. I hope the proposed changes do not alter the place too much - as some people have already said, I would be disappointed to lose the clean, simple layout and allow millions of pics, avatars and ridiculous signatures. That WOULD be a step in the wrong direction.
Peace and love!
Yeah, it has changed a lot over the years, I remember when all this was fields etc.
It's far more mainstream now, however I don't think the 'essence' of the forums has been lost as such - we merely have a far bigger, more diverse pool of posters than before. I agree about the moderation being a wee bit more strict - but I guess that's a sign of the times, more people posting = more crap posted. If there was far less moderation, then we'd have tons more crap to wade through - and arguably standards would slip.
Imagine if the moderation slacked off and we lost our tight 'grammar, punctuation, spelling and legibility' policy? I would throw myself under a bus if that happened
The key to continued enjoyment is to do what I do - never get involved with arguing to the point it descends into abuse, and treat people with respect (yes it is words on t'internet - but that doesn't mean that there isn't a human being behind each post). Like road rage, it is sometimes easy to 'de-humanise' posts, and react in a manner which one would never react in real life, face to face.
Lastly, although some of my posts can be a wee-bit long-winded (as I have been ribbed about in the past
) I try to post stuff which is at least a bit interesting and maybe informative or helpful.Anyway, I've been here a long time, and I still love it. I hope the proposed changes do not alter the place too much - as some people have already said, I would be disappointed to lose the clean, simple layout and allow millions of pics, avatars and ridiculous signatures. That WOULD be a step in the wrong direction.
Peace and love!
rscott said:
I read some of the threads in the Porsche forum about the banning of one user (for his second breach of the rules) and was amazed by the attitudes of some of the posters. To me it seemed they were of the opinion that PH was lucky and honoured that they deigned to post on here. It was also interesting to find out that the banned user had multiple profiles on here and that the image they posted was also removed on another forum...
It wasn't so different from the reaction of some of the posters to the reorganisation of the Porsche forum - there was anger that the owners of the site had dared to make changes without getting the permission of certain posters.
Renting a wealthier person's lifestyle can do that to people. It wasn't so different from the reaction of some of the posters to the reorganisation of the Porsche forum - there was anger that the owners of the site had dared to make changes without getting the permission of certain posters.
Sheepshanks said:
rscott said:
To me it seemed they were of the opinion that PH was lucky and honoured that they deigned to post on here.
That's how it should be. Forums needs their members more than their members need the forum. If the site traffic drops then so does advertising revenue.There also seemed to be a view from some posters that they are somehow 'better' than other users just because they drive Porsches...
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