RE: Ringside Seat: bikes only
Discussion
Everytime i have been to the 'ring the most worrying thing is when you are running with a vehicle that is close in speed.
Whenever the road opens up you can fly past but when you come to a series of corners you find yourself holding up the car.
Half way through the lap I think to myself 'I had better just slow down a bit because this driver is going to get pissed off soon',
Car's have much greater cornering and mid-corner speed and on tracks like the 'ring have more places where they can brake much harder so it's always been an uncomfortable pairing.
I think this is a much better way to do it.
Whenever the road opens up you can fly past but when you come to a series of corners you find yourself holding up the car.
Half way through the lap I think to myself 'I had better just slow down a bit because this driver is going to get pissed off soon',
Car's have much greater cornering and mid-corner speed and on tracks like the 'ring have more places where they can brake much harder so it's always been an uncomfortable pairing.
I think this is a much better way to do it.
Technomad said:
thatdude said:
I would like to ride around the nurburgring on a bike-only day. I would be forever checking my mirrors looking out for porches etc, rathe than enjoying myself. But with bikes, the fast guys will have more room to get by (sort of)
If you're regularly being overtaken by porches, may I suggest getting up to speed on a smaller circuit first? 
Did you just remember that as an IAMs and Rospa aficionado, you're duty bound to periodically be a sanctimonious prick?
Edited by Reardy Mister on Sunday 3rd August 23:37
fridaypassion said:
ZX10R NIN said:
Are you assuming the majority of people that go to the ring are idiots?
There are plenty of people that go there on two & four wheels that make it round with no training & don't crash people only get beter by practice!
IMO the dangerous people are the seasoned vets that get into timing themselves. I wold guess most of the most serious accidents are cauased by experienced drivers/riders. There are plenty of people that go there on two & four wheels that make it round with no training & don't crash people only get beter by practice!
Back to the topic of segregated bikes & cars.. GOOD! It's SO dangerous having them on the track at the same time! There are complete idiots in both camps and mixing them for so long has been a terrible idea. I've been stuck behind bikers who think they're Valentino Rossi and are all over the place without ever checking their mirrors, and you just cannot pass them - it's too dangerous! A fast biker can pass a slower biker much easier than a fast car can pass a slow biker or vice-versa.
I hope there's more of them! I would even be happy with regular slots on a weekend to keep them both away from each other.
Edited by CamMoreRon on Monday 4th August 09:19
I remember my first drive on the ring. It was in a Artega GT, rented from rent4ring. Coming over a blind crest, i saw that the biker in front of me had keeled over and was lying in great pain with his bike in front of me. Knowing that i was just behind him he had to ignore his obvious great pain and limp for dear life to the safety of the side of the track. Thankfully i was able to avoid him anyway.
You may well say that i was an idiot, but that is missing the whole point. There will be inexperienced drivers on that track on any tourist session and sometimes you are given very little time to learn.
Now of course there are real idiots that for instance will signal that they give way and then stay on the power to block you anyway.
Therefore it is prudent to always be careful with regular street cars and rentals as they are prone to do the unexpected. I never had a problem with a track prepared car in the hands of its owner.
You may well say that i was an idiot, but that is missing the whole point. There will be inexperienced drivers on that track on any tourist session and sometimes you are given very little time to learn.
Now of course there are real idiots that for instance will signal that they give way and then stay on the power to block you anyway.
Therefore it is prudent to always be careful with regular street cars and rentals as they are prone to do the unexpected. I never had a problem with a track prepared car in the hands of its owner.
jovie said:
Everytime i have been to the 'ring the most worrying thing is when you are running with a vehicle that is close in speed.
Whenever the road opens up you can fly past but when you come to a series of corners you find yourself holding up the car.
Half way through the lap I think to myself 'I had better just slow down a bit because this driver is going to get pissed off soon',
Car's have much greater cornering and mid-corner speed and on tracks like the 'ring have more places where they can brake much harder so it's always been an uncomfortable pairing.
I think this is a much better way to do it.
Great! someone has been held up for half a lap before you decide to get out of their way - why did it take 4/5 minutes to make this decision, its frustrations like this that can lead to accidents, why not just pull over the first time you see them gaining on you in the mirror?Whenever the road opens up you can fly past but when you come to a series of corners you find yourself holding up the car.
Half way through the lap I think to myself 'I had better just slow down a bit because this driver is going to get pissed off soon',
Car's have much greater cornering and mid-corner speed and on tracks like the 'ring have more places where they can brake much harder so it's always been an uncomfortable pairing.
I think this is a much better way to do it.
Reardy Mister said:
I am confused. You post one quite reasonable response about how concerned you are about the need to watch out for 911s hurtling up behind you and then another one straight after saying that if you're being worried by Porsches, you need to get out more as you're obviously so slow you don't belong on the track. What the?
Did you just remember that as an IAMs and Rospa aficionado, you're duty bound to periodically be a sanctimonious prick?
Sorry, it's called a sense of humour. I won't do it again. Read the original. "Porche" vs "Porsche". sigh…Did you just remember that as an IAMs and Rospa aficionado, you're duty bound to periodically be a sanctimonious prick?
Edited by Reardy Mister on Sunday 3rd August 23:37
Reardy Mister said:
I am confused. You post one quite reasonable response about how concerned you are about the need to watch out for 911s hurtling up behind you and then another one straight after saying that if you're being worried by Porsches, you need to get out more as you're obviously so slow you don't belong on the track. What the?
Did you just remember that as an IAMs and Rospa aficionado, you're duty bound to periodically be a sanctimonious prick?
In my defence, an SV650 laden with luggage is bound to be slower than the GT3 I had envisaged in my mind!Did you just remember that as an IAMs and Rospa aficionado, you're duty bound to periodically be a sanctimonious prick?
Edited by Reardy Mister on Sunday 3rd August 23:37
Technomad said:
BNC47 said:
I think Technomad's comment was refering to the mis-spelling (porches), the suggestion being that if you are slower than a small extension on the front of a house, you need to practise.
Thank you, thank you, thank you. There is a human in the house.Either split the sessions 50/50 or according to demand.
Good decision in my books. I went for a dozen years straight. Did a few Ring courses. When you got to certain pace it was much safer.
I loved thrashing around with the cars and rarely would anything catch me, let alone would I hold up a car. My problem with cars was realised when I lost a good mate (Joerund Seim) who crashed on dropped oil and I haven't been back since.
I can cope with other vehicles, dropped fluids from the cars can be Russian Roulette for the bikes no matter how experienced.
I loved thrashing around with the cars and rarely would anything catch me, let alone would I hold up a car. My problem with cars was realised when I lost a good mate (Joerund Seim) who crashed on dropped oil and I haven't been back since.
I can cope with other vehicles, dropped fluids from the cars can be Russian Roulette for the bikes no matter how experienced.
Technomad said:
BNC47 said:
I think Technomad's comment was refering to the mis-spelling (porches), the suggestion being that if you are slower than a small extension on the front of a house, you need to practise.
Thank you, thank you, thank you. There is a human in the house.I will face the wall in the corner and think about what I've done.
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