anyone been lied to by a used car dealer?
Discussion
Fast Bug said:
hora said:
So what do you class as a decent wage (and commission) for a car salesman for any of the main/every day brands?
£65k last year in fleet sales selling Renault and Nissan. Not earth shattering, but keeps the wolf from the door.Remind me what you do again?
Typically - from people i know - Joe Average Salesman is maybe on a basic of £12K and grosses £25K - £30K per year.
hora said:
I mainly buy privately partly because so many dealers nowadays offer you little aftersales support. So whats the +£1,500 for over a similar private car sale? A cup of coffee and a £15 valet it seems.
Nowadays the older the car 5yrs+ we are told if bought from a dealer any recourse is based on age and/or mileage. So why buy a used car from a dealer then? False sense of security?
Edit- In addition its gobsmacking the spiel car sales staff are spun to keep them on s
t commission and low wages. They are flogged/made to work hard for their money- on their feet all day and being fed the line that the secondhand car only has £100 in it. bks, really. On used cars I don't believe it.
Wrong way round Hora.Nowadays the older the car 5yrs+ we are told if bought from a dealer any recourse is based on age and/or mileage. So why buy a used car from a dealer then? False sense of security?
Edit- In addition its gobsmacking the spiel car sales staff are spun to keep them on s
t commission and low wages. They are flogged/made to work hard for their money- on their feet all day and being fed the line that the secondhand car only has £100 in it. bks, really. On used cars I don't believe it. Edited by hora on Wednesday 22 April 07:58
That's the bulls
t line used by salesmen to see if the punter is a white flager! andymc said:
uncinquesei said:
Fast Bug said:
£65k last year in fleet sales selling Renault and Nissan. Not earth shattering, but keeps the wolf from the door.
Olympic gold medal standard humblebragging there....
andymc said:
uncinquesei said:
Fast Bug said:
£65k last year in fleet sales selling Renault and Nissan. Not earth shattering, but keeps the wolf from the door.
Olympic gold medal standard humblebragging there....Also, hes in fleet sales, not retail sales, so not really relevant at all to the question.
Came across as a bit cringeworthy TBH.
Owned five over the past decade. All Bone dry and so far never had a HG go. If and when it happens, I'll buy another or have some bloke whack in a new motor. It's not like it'll cost much. Fun little cars, far from perfect, but that's all part of the deal as far as I'm concerned.
If I wanted something better, I'd buy something better. I'm considering getting it supercharged by Turbo Technics or someone in the next few years. Utter madness? Possibly. An interesting and fun thing to keep me amused? Yes.
Lots of childish nastiness on here of late.
If I wanted something better, I'd buy something better. I'm considering getting it supercharged by Turbo Technics or someone in the next few years. Utter madness? Possibly. An interesting and fun thing to keep me amused? Yes.
Lots of childish nastiness on here of late.
wildcat45 said:
Owned five over the past decade. All Bone dry and so far never had a HG go. If and when it happens, I'll buy another or have some bloke whack in a new motor. It's not like it'll cost much. Fun little cars, far from perfect, but that's all part of the deal as far as I'm concerned.
If I wanted something better, I'd buy something better. I'm considering getting it supercharged by Turbo Technics or someone in the next few years. Utter madness? Possibly. An interesting and fun thing to keep me amused? Yes.
Lots of childish nastiness on here of late.
I had one a couple of years ago. X Power grey late model TF. Had an intermittent gearbox related problem so i didnt keep it long. If I wanted something better, I'd buy something better. I'm considering getting it supercharged by Turbo Technics or someone in the next few years. Utter madness? Possibly. An interesting and fun thing to keep me amused? Yes.
Lots of childish nastiness on here of late.
Saw plenty in the motor trade with HGF.
Drove quite well. No MX5 though.
Both an MX5 and MR2 do the same thing a lot better for very similar money.
Have had 3 MX5s and two MR2s.
Wouldnt like to have bought one new or nearly new.
Hora asked what wages can salespeople in the motor trade earn. I provided an answer of what I earned last year. I know retail sales people that earn the same selling 'prestige' brands. The top retail guy at Renault wasn't a million miles behind me. And that was off a lower basic as retail/fleet have different wage structures.
Even a poor salesperson in a volume brand should be doing late £20's unless they're in a very quiet dealership.
Anyway they had to pay me that much to compensate for a 1.5 diesel Scenic as a company car
Even a poor salesperson in a volume brand should be doing late £20's unless they're in a very quiet dealership.
Anyway they had to pay me that much to compensate for a 1.5 diesel Scenic as a company car
daemon said:
andymc said:
uncinquesei said:
Fast Bug said:
£65k last year in fleet sales selling Renault and Nissan. Not earth shattering, but keeps the wolf from the door.
Olympic gold medal standard humblebragging there....Also, hes in fleet sales, not retail sales, so not really relevant at all to the question.
Came across as a bit cringeworthy TBH.
Fast Bug said:
Hora asked what wages can salespeople in the motor trade earn. I provided an answer of what I earned last year. I know retail sales people that earn the same selling 'prestige' brands. The top retail guy at Renault wasn't a million miles behind me. And that was off a lower basic as retail/fleet have different wage structures.
Even a poor salesperson in a volume brand should be doing late £20's unless they're in a very quiet dealership.
Anyway they had to pay me that much to compensate for a 1.5 diesel Scenic as a company car
Specifically he asked "So what do you class as a decent wage (and commission) for a car salesman for any of the main/every day brands?"Even a poor salesperson in a volume brand should be doing late £20's unless they're in a very quiet dealership.
Anyway they had to pay me that much to compensate for a 1.5 diesel Scenic as a company car
Thats quite different from "what wages can salespeople in the motor trade earn"
Either question didnt require a specific answer.
Fair play BTW. Thats strong money, but i'd say you're in the top quartile at least with that, rather than it being an "average" salary. Top people / top salaries in any field are usually high and cant be treated as typical.
LouD86 said:
daemon, I'm not in fleet sales, I would be disappointed if I didn't match FastBug this year. And we are a small independent site. With a salesman earning 20-25k, I would suggest he isn't a very good salesman, or the company he works for are very crafty sods taking full advantage.
Interesting.Tops out at around £30K around me. I know because a friend of mine was looking back in to retail sales from being self employed and he'd talked to Toyota, Renault, Vauxhall and Subaru and they were all talking in that ballpark.
Clearly a regional thing
wildcat45 said:
Owned five over the past decade. All Bone dry and so far never had a HG go. If and when it happens, I'll buy another or have some bloke whack in a new motor. It's not like it'll cost much. Fun little cars, far from perfect, but that's all part of the deal as far as I'm concerned.
If I wanted something better, I'd buy something better. I'm considering getting it supercharged by Turbo Technics or someone in the next few years. Utter madness? Possibly. An interesting and fun thing to keep me amused? Yes.
Lots of childish nastiness on here of late.
(Usually by people that have never even sat in one)If I wanted something better, I'd buy something better. I'm considering getting it supercharged by Turbo Technics or someone in the next few years. Utter madness? Possibly. An interesting and fun thing to keep me amused? Yes.
Lots of childish nastiness on here of late.
daemon said:
Interesting.
Tops out at around £30K around me. I know because a friend of mine was looking back in to retail sales from being self employed and he'd talked to Toyota, Renault, Vauxhall and Subaru and they were all talking in that ballpark.
Clearly a regional thing
Either regional, or teaming together to keep their wage percentages low. Give you an idea, I sold a VW T5 yesterday that netted me £286, and a Merc 1522 that I took £381 from. So on top of my basic, I earnt £667 alone yesterday before tax etc. Yes thats a very strong day, and it doesn't happen everyday, but I average between 35-50 a month, and generally make £100 minimum on a vehicle. And then you have finance commissions on top of that. Its not hard, it you negotiate a good salary, and are a good salesman. Tops out at around £30K around me. I know because a friend of mine was looking back in to retail sales from being self employed and he'd talked to Toyota, Renault, Vauxhall and Subaru and they were all talking in that ballpark.
Clearly a regional thing
Brother D said:
wildcat45 said:
Owned five over the past decade. All Bone dry and so far never had a HG go. If and when it happens, I'll buy another or have some bloke whack in a new motor. It's not like it'll cost much. Fun little cars, far from perfect, but that's all part of the deal as far as I'm concerned.
If I wanted something better, I'd buy something better. I'm considering getting it supercharged by Turbo Technics or someone in the next few years. Utter madness? Possibly. An interesting and fun thing to keep me amused? Yes.
Lots of childish nastiness on here of late.
(Usually by people that have never even sat in one)If I wanted something better, I'd buy something better. I'm considering getting it supercharged by Turbo Technics or someone in the next few years. Utter madness? Possibly. An interesting and fun thing to keep me amused? Yes.
Lots of childish nastiness on here of late.
Also, sold them new "back in the day" and saw plenty in the trade when i was motor trading.
Also the two other people commenting, sold them new?
daemon said:
Fast Bug said:
hora said:
So what do you class as a decent wage (and commission) for a car salesman for any of the main/every day brands?
£65k last year in fleet sales selling Renault and Nissan. Not earth shattering, but keeps the wolf from the door.Remind me what you do again?
Typically - from people i know - Joe Average Salesman is maybe on a basic of £12K and grosses £25K - £30K per year.
Even when selling 90k of motorhome with extras wouldn't see that kind of money unless you were selling an actual metric tonne of the damn things
Edited by spats on Wednesday 22 April 13:42
daemon said:
I had one a couple of years ago. X Power grey late model TF. Had an intermittent gearbox related problem so i didnt keep it long.
Saw plenty in the motor trade with HGF.
Drove quite well. No MX5 though.
Both an MX5 and MR2 do the same thing a lot better for very similar money.
Have had 3 MX5s and two MR2s.
Wouldnt like to have bought one new or nearly new.
Sold a TF 160 and replaced with a new MX-5. The Mazda was a much much better car. It didn't gel with me for want of a better term. I sold it. Went looking for MGFs say behind the wheel if one and it just suited me. Like an old pair of trainers ior a toy you had when you were a kid. Saw plenty in the motor trade with HGF.
Drove quite well. No MX5 though.
Both an MX5 and MR2 do the same thing a lot better for very similar money.
Have had 3 MX5s and two MR2s.
Wouldnt like to have bought one new or nearly new.
I'm not referring to you here but other posters with childish your car is crap lines. The thread is about being lied to by salesmen. Just a lot of silly little boys posting nasty comments because they can. I personally dislike Ford Pumas. Some people love them. If a guy was posting here about being lied to while buying a Puma, I'd not respond with some snide comment about it being a rusty tarted up Fuesta with a council house badge. If the thread was 'Do you like the Puma?' Maybe I would.
wildcat45 said:
Sold a TF 160 and replaced with a new MX-5. The Mazda was a much much better car. It didn't gel with me for want of a better term. I sold it. Went looking for MGFs say behind the wheel if one and it just suited me. Like an old pair of trainers ior a toy you had when you were a kid.
I'm not referring to you here but other posters with childish your car is crap lines. The thread is about being lied to by salesmen. Just a lot of silly little boys posting nasty comments because they can. I personally dislike Ford Pumas. Some people love them. If a guy was posting here about being lied to while buying a Puma, I'd not respond with some snide comment about it being a rusty tarted up Fuesta with a council house badge. If the thread was 'Do you like the Puma?' Maybe I would.
I never suggested the MGF is crap, although can't really argue otherwise, they weren't a high point.I'm not referring to you here but other posters with childish your car is crap lines. The thread is about being lied to by salesmen. Just a lot of silly little boys posting nasty comments because they can. I personally dislike Ford Pumas. Some people love them. If a guy was posting here about being lied to while buying a Puma, I'd not respond with some snide comment about it being a rusty tarted up Fuesta with a council house badge. If the thread was 'Do you like the Puma?' Maybe I would.
I was merely laughing that your wife was so wise about cars as to choose one and then give the salesman the coffee beans.
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