Golf GTD ordered!
Discussion
MG CHRIS said:
Most weeks as im a mechanic still don't get the big deal about them. Bland bland bland and more bland with just a hint of more bland to follow up with it.
Its just a box with 4 wheels and a diesel engine like a lot of similar cars.
I respect that opinion, but I wish you could respect the fact that other people actually do like them and avoid posting comments designed to get peoples backs up.Its just a box with 4 wheels and a diesel engine like a lot of similar cars.
I know Pistonheads was once the domain of people getting all hot under the collar talking about TVRs and MX5s, but nowadays I think people just come here to talk about any car that interests them. There really isn't any need to criticise someone else's taste just because it's not what you're into.
dme123 said:
Am I missing something? 10K miles a year is less than my 91 year old grandfather does, £7250 to rent a car for 2 years to cover the sort of distance one might expect to do annually walking a medium sized dog seems insane to me.
This I do a little less mileage around 8k even at 10k why have a diesel. My commute is 5 miles wont be much difference between the 2 and the lack of mileage and 5p per litre difference between petrol and diesel with increased servicing costs etc doesn't work out.I bought a mk1 mx5 vrltd £1600 in may. Swapped over the exhaust from my last mx5, stuck a set of different wheels £150, upgraded brake pads all round with flexi and dot 5.1 fluid for occasional track use (didn't really need doing)and a service ows me just under 2k which I will get back and maybe some more if I come to sell it in the next few years.
That or spend 7k over 2 years on a golf and don't have anything to show at the end of it yea I know what I would have and it isn't a boring golf diesel. But whatever floats your boat.
andrewparker said:
MG CHRIS said:
Most weeks as im a mechanic still don't get the big deal about them. Bland bland bland and more bland with just a hint of more bland to follow up with it.
Its just a box with 4 wheels and a diesel engine like a lot of similar cars.
I respect that opinion, but I wish you could respect the fact that other people actually do like them and avoid posting comments designed to get peoples backs up.Its just a box with 4 wheels and a diesel engine like a lot of similar cars.
I know Pistonheads was once the domain of people getting all hot under the collar talking about TVRs and MX5s, but nowadays I think people just come here to talk about any car that interests them. There really isn't any need to criticise someone else's taste just because it's not what you're into.
Nothing partically wrong with the golf and not critising the golf for it but really don't get how some people can get so excited about them that's basically a white goods.
andrewparker said:
Honestly, I could say the same thing about the MX5. The only thing more boring is the people who own them continually going on about how little they cost.
Yep find the same with people going on about how great a golf diesel is and how cheap my finance deal is then when anyone claims to say different oh I must defend my choice.Anyway when im going through the brilliant welsh mountain road atleast I wont have to listen to the boring drone of a vag diesel lump behind me.
And on that im out.
The reason people are in a lather about this car is because it's new and its a Golf.
The car companies are laughing if all they need to do create a car with style over substance and has good mpg. Err...
The lease deals look somewhat reasonable in isolation until you objectively consider you are just renting it.
Not to poo poo anybody's choices, as they are your own. But renting a new car with restrictions is not what I would do.
As for the car objectively? Its a good product I cannot deny that. But its alot of money for something that isn't yours and you cannot modify.
The car companies are laughing if all they need to do create a car with style over substance and has good mpg. Err...
The lease deals look somewhat reasonable in isolation until you objectively consider you are just renting it.
Not to poo poo anybody's choices, as they are your own. But renting a new car with restrictions is not what I would do.
As for the car objectively? Its a good product I cannot deny that. But its alot of money for something that isn't yours and you cannot modify.
andrewparker said:
For a start the GTD has 181bhp, not 150bhp. It is comparable to the GTI, and is £600 less to purchase, not more.
VWs own flash s
t part of the site says 150ps. 
Their price list pdf says 185PSBut even with 185 PS it's hardly equivalent to the 220PS GTi is it! It's 16% down compared to the Gti. Nothing you think about a badge engineering "GT" Diesel makes it a hot hatch
andrewparker said:
When was the last time you looked at the cost difference, because for the last 6 months where I live it has been around 2p/l more. At the moment is it 4p/l more.
Fair enough. Petrolprices has it at 4p near me as well. andrewparker said:
Seriously, do a bit of ground work before wasting your time posting meaning less babble.
Well aside from the fact you want to compare it to the more powerful car. But I'll humour you. Same 30mpg vs 45mpg. (Though I gather even a 2.0tdi golf will only average 35-40 on a town / motorway drive when driven normally) And using basic prices from VW online catalogue.Against a £23025 GTI with 131.9 petrol vs 135.9 diesel it's cheaper to have the £22675 GTD
Against the £20366 1.4 TSFI 150ps car. It takes 3.6 years to recoup the extra costs of diesel!
Hardly "wasting time" Just putting an alternative out there. Shame that like all you Dieselheads you won't have a bad word said about Diesel. Which is pretty myopic. But, and maybe it's just me, Diesels do seem to attract a certain type of person
But don't worry. The governments (regardless of colour) are about to try hard to kill off diesel in passenger cars. The UK failed a emissions test on the EU standards Linky so rightly or wrongly expect many other things to be put on Diesels. Expect ved and fuel duty to increase in the next couple years. The UK got fined IIRC for the poor quality of the air. They need to recoup the money somehow
It's comparable to the GTI because the spec is identical. The GTI has more BHP, the GTD has more torque. VW market the GTD as the diesel powered GTI. Every aspect bar the engine is the same. There are numerous "GTI vs GTD" comparisons online, so it's obviously not only me who thinks this. Read this one for example - http://www.carwow.co.uk/blog/VW-Golf-GTI-GTD-475
I've no idea where you're getting your prices from either. A standard 3 door GTI costs £26330, with a standard 3 door GTD costing £25765. The 150bhp petrol engined car you talk about is £23650, but to bring it to the same spec as a GTI/D (18" alloys, Bi-Xenon headlights with LED running lights, climate control etc.) adds £2535 to the price, making it more expensive than a GTD and with a few hundred pounds of a GTI. But you get a car with only 150bhp and 185 lbs.ft, and with different suspension etc. What I'm trying to say is a comparison is worthless unless it is like for like - surely you must understand that?
As I mentioned earlier, I have had a GTI, and now have a GTD. I have real experience of both cars driven on the same roads at the same time of day. My GTD does 55+mpg on a motorway and 45+mpg around town. It is considerably more economical than the GTI, regardless of the situation. It may not be considerably more economical than a 150bhp petrol car, but as I've said, I don't see it as being a relevant comparison.
The only reason I am fervently defending the GTD isn't because I am a massive fan of diesel powered cars (quite the contrary, this is my first one), but it is because I have owned both, and I suspect anyone else who has experienced both would say exactly the same.
I've no idea where you're getting your prices from either. A standard 3 door GTI costs £26330, with a standard 3 door GTD costing £25765. The 150bhp petrol engined car you talk about is £23650, but to bring it to the same spec as a GTI/D (18" alloys, Bi-Xenon headlights with LED running lights, climate control etc.) adds £2535 to the price, making it more expensive than a GTD and with a few hundred pounds of a GTI. But you get a car with only 150bhp and 185 lbs.ft, and with different suspension etc. What I'm trying to say is a comparison is worthless unless it is like for like - surely you must understand that?
As I mentioned earlier, I have had a GTI, and now have a GTD. I have real experience of both cars driven on the same roads at the same time of day. My GTD does 55+mpg on a motorway and 45+mpg around town. It is considerably more economical than the GTI, regardless of the situation. It may not be considerably more economical than a 150bhp petrol car, but as I've said, I don't see it as being a relevant comparison.
The only reason I am fervently defending the GTD isn't because I am a massive fan of diesel powered cars (quite the contrary, this is my first one), but it is because I have owned both, and I suspect anyone else who has experienced both would say exactly the same.
andrewparker said:
I've no idea where you're getting your prices from either. A standard 3 door GTI costs £26330, with a standard 3 door GTD costing £25765. The 150bhp petrol engined car you talk about is £23650, but to bring it to the same spec as a GTI/D (18" alloys, Bi-Xenon headlights with LED running lights, climate control etc.) adds £2535 to the price, making it more expensive than a GTD and with a few hundred pounds of a GTI. But you get a car with only 150bhp and 185 lbs.ft, and with different suspension etc. What I'm trying to say is a comparison is worthless unless it is like for like - surely you must understand that?
Equipment is quite hard to get level as there are other considerations too, like the fact the GT has standard Sat Nav from the factory but the GTD/ GTI/ R don't. I have a Mk7 GTD and after six weeks and 1700 miles are loving it,as a package it is a great bit of kit and in my opinion looks better than both the GTI and the golf R.
They have even made it sound nice, to my ears anyway,its horses for courses,all i know is it drives great and is making me smile even if it is just a golf.
They have even made it sound nice, to my ears anyway,its horses for courses,all i know is it drives great and is making me smile even if it is just a golf.
Four pages of people getting their knickers in a twist and writing many paragraphs on how terrible it is for someone to buy a new and decent, if not exciting, hatchback on finance. Everyone in the world should apparently drive a 15 year old Mazda MX5 with aftermarket add ons, even though most of the world would see it as a chavved up old banger.
Different cars have different merits and everybody chooses what suits them and their preferred way of obtaining it.
It doesn't make me cross that someone has got a Golf on finance but it does wind me up to see so many people being downright nasty about it for page after page when someone has just wanted to show people who are supposed to like cars his new car.
Different cars have different merits and everybody chooses what suits them and their preferred way of obtaining it.
It doesn't make me cross that someone has got a Golf on finance but it does wind me up to see so many people being downright nasty about it for page after page when someone has just wanted to show people who are supposed to like cars his new car.
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