RE: Aston Martin Vanquish MY15: Review

RE: Aston Martin Vanquish MY15: Review

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Armen

252 posts

149 months

Wednesday 6th August 2014
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Schermerhorn said:
The ZF works just as well as a double clutch. Instant up and down shifts.
I know this gearbox, I have it in my BMW, it works fine and very smooth.
I was just talking about the double-clutch system you find in a Ferrari 458 Italia or the PDK in the new 991 GT3, that gives you much more thrill.

P4GNO

35 posts

124 months

Wednesday 6th August 2014
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steveb8189 said:
Can someone help me out with the gearbox though - it's been a while since I understood autos..

This is an 8 speed with a clutch and a torque converter right? I thought auto meant no clutch but torque converter, semi-auto has just clutch (as does DSG). What is this then?
Have a look at the source link from the article ZF

toppstuff

13,698 posts

248 months

Wednesday 6th August 2014
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A beautiful, gorgeous car. To me it looks a step forward over the DB9 - more modern, more elegant.

The new gearbox seems a massive improvement.

I deeply want one.

myhandle

1,194 posts

175 months

Wednesday 6th August 2014
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Armen said:
Anyway, Vanquish/S (2001-2007) FOREVER.
Yes. Aston Martin have now twice used a name from a very special car and applied it to something merely very nice. First the Vantage, previously used on the hotter version of a car and then used on the base model, and more recently the Vanquish name applied to this, a heavily facelifted DBS. That said, this is a nice car, but it would be more appealing if it had a name that wasn't Vanquish.

At Wilton House 2 years ago towards the end of the day the owner of an original Vanquish parked next to the new one on the Aston stand (grass). The old one looked more special by some margin.

Fetchez la vache

5,573 posts

215 months

Wednesday 6th August 2014
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£200k. So that's why I've never seen one. Any ideas how many they're shifting?

toppstuff

13,698 posts

248 months

Wednesday 6th August 2014
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Fetchez la vache said:
£200k. So that's why I've never seen one. Any ideas how many they're shifting?
Don't think they sell too many here. US , Middle East and Asia like them a lot I believe.

Schermerhorn

4,343 posts

190 months

Wednesday 6th August 2014
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Armen said:
Schermerhorn said:
The ZF works just as well as a double clutch. Instant up and down shifts.
I know this gearbox, I have it in my BMW, it works fine and very smooth.
I was just talking about the double-clutch system you find in a Ferrari 458 Italia or the PDK in the new 991 GT3, that gives you much more thrill.
I'm sure it has been calibrated to provide engine rev matching on down shifts etc to provide that thrill factor.

This ZF gearbox is utterly awesome.

anonymous-user

55 months

Wednesday 6th August 2014
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Schermerhorn said:
Armen said:
Schermerhorn said:
The ZF works just as well as a double clutch. Instant up and down shifts.
I know this gearbox, I have it in my BMW, it works fine and very smooth.
I was just talking about the double-clutch system you find in a Ferrari 458 Italia or the PDK in the new 991 GT3, that gives you much more thrill.
I'm sure it has been calibrated to provide engine rev matching on down shifts etc to provide that thrill factor.

This ZF gearbox is utterly awesome.
Shift speed limitation in this application is due to there being a massive relatively high inertia engine about 5foot away on the end of a "boingy" carbon fibre propshaft........ So, even though the G/B can upshift dam fast, if you did that here, you'd spend the next few seconds bouncing around like a yo-yo as the engine inertia bounced between the rotating mass of the drivetrain and the ground!

JonnyVTEC

Original Poster:

3,005 posts

176 months

Wednesday 6th August 2014
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Armen said:
I know this gearbox, I have it in my BMW, it works fine and very smooth.
I was just talking about the double-clutch system you find in a Ferrari 458 Italia or the PDK in the new 991 GT3, that gives you much more thrill.
Its the in town manners that really improve the way cars like this drive. Are those dual clutch systems better mannered than some of the VAG offerings?

Raudus42

163 posts

134 months

Wednesday 6th August 2014
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JonnyVTEC said:
Is there space in the boot for the gearbox humble pie?
Well, it's never too late to do the right thing (I wouldn't be saying that if I'd just taken delivery of the old version).

Lovely car...not as butch as the DBS, but would take one over an F12 any day.

Armen

252 posts

149 months

Wednesday 6th August 2014
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myhandle said:
Yes. Aston Martin have now twice used a name from a very special car and applied it to something merely very nice. First the Vantage, previously used on the hotter version of a car and then used on the base model, and more recently the Vanquish name applied to this, a heavily facelifted DBS. That said, this is a nice car, but it would be more appealing if it had a name that wasn't Vanquish.

At Wilton House 2 years ago towards the end of the day the owner of an original Vanquish parked next to the new one on the Aston stand (grass). The old one looked more special by some margin.
Yes, this car didn't deserve the name "Vanquish". It remains a "tuned" DB9 2013, with more aero elements, engine power and refresh interior, but that's it.
When it first came out in 2001, the original Vanquish was a complete new model. The Vanquish 2013 was just the continuation of the 2004 DB9...

TNH

559 posts

148 months

Wednesday 6th August 2014
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I know this design has been around since the turn of the millennium but this car is still utterly stunning.

I'm not a fan of black cars generally, but it just looks awesome in the second photo.

+ it has a thumping great big N/A V12 with almost 600hp for when your not just sat looking at how gorgeous it is.

Kong

1,503 posts

172 months

Wednesday 6th August 2014
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You're going to be pissed off if you bought one of these last year!

Olivera

7,154 posts

240 months

Wednesday 6th August 2014
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myhandle said:
Armen said:
Anyway, Vanquish/S (2001-2007) FOREVER.
At Wilton House 2 years ago towards the end of the day the owner of an original Vanquish parked next to the new one on the Aston stand (grass). The old one looked more special by some margin.
The originally Vanquish undoubtedly looked pretty, but by all accounts had a very poor and antiquated automatic transmission. Give me the new Vanquish any day.

Raudus42

163 posts

134 months

Wednesday 6th August 2014
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Armen said:
Yes, this car didn't deserve the name "Vanquish". It remains a "tuned" DB9 2013, with more aero elements, engine power and refresh interior, but that's it.
When it first came out in 2001, the original Vanquish was a complete new model. The Vanquish 2013 was just the continuation of the 2004 DB9...
Completely different body, completely different interior, more powerful engine. Just because it has the family resemblance you can't say it's a tuned DB9 - that's akin to saying the S Class Merc is a tuned C Class.

........

In the article the writer says the dash mounted transmission buttons are 'infuriating'....why? I think they're simple to use.

Burnham

3,668 posts

260 months

Wednesday 6th August 2014
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That's lovely, but so it should be for £200k.

Does anyone know how much the list price of a DBS was when it was launched for comparison?

A good DBS can be had for £80k or so now, which would surely not suffer too much depreciation compared to a £200k car, and is probably as good a drive (or at least the same smile factor) as a Vanquish.

soad

32,903 posts

177 months

Wednesday 6th August 2014
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Burnham said:
That's lovely, but so it should be for £200k.

Does anyone know how much the list price of a DBS was when it was launched for comparison?

A good DBS can be had for £80k or so now, which would surely not suffer too much depreciation compared to a £200k car, and is probably as good a drive (or at least the same smile factor) as a Vanquish.
£160,000

Burnham

3,668 posts

260 months

Wednesday 6th August 2014
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soad said:
Burnham said:
That's lovely, but so it should be for £200k.

Does anyone know how much the list price of a DBS was when it was launched for comparison?

A good DBS can be had for £80k or so now, which would surely not suffer too much depreciation compared to a £200k car, and is probably as good a drive (or at least the same smile factor) as a Vanquish.
£160,000
Thanks Soad, sounds like a bit of a bargain, though I'm sure that felt like £200k back in 2008.

Armen

252 posts

149 months

Wednesday 6th August 2014
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Olivera said:
The originally Vanquish undoubtedly looked pretty, but by all accounts had a very poor and antiquated automatic transmission. Give me the new Vanquish any day.
Not an automatic gearbox with torque converter, but a real automated-manual with electro-hydraulic clutch, like the F1 Ferrari transmission.
Works perfectly fine with the Vanquish S clutch... you get a real thrill as soon as you understand how to drive it.

unsprung

5,467 posts

125 months

Wednesday 6th August 2014
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Looks like a weapon. *raises glass in appreciation*