RE: Tesla Model S: Delivery Miles
Discussion
toohuge said:
They will need to repay the cool 600m USD the government has loaned them though.... That'll take a while.
Chris
They repayed that last year. Which was 9 years early than the proposed date Chris
http://www.teslamotors.com/en_GB/about/press/relea...
toohuge said:
I had no idea these were so expensive....
There are literally hundreds floating around Atlanta, probably see two or three a day. In the right spec, they look spectacular, but then for the price, I would hope so.
Still, if it works out ok then good luck to them.
They will need to repay the cool 600m USD the government has loaned them though.... That'll take a while.
Chris
You can pick these up in 85kW spec from the US for more like $80k.There are literally hundreds floating around Atlanta, probably see two or three a day. In the right spec, they look spectacular, but then for the price, I would hope so.
Still, if it works out ok then good luck to them.
They will need to repay the cool 600m USD the government has loaned them though.... That'll take a while.
Chris
Brother in law has just bought one.
toohuge said:
They will need to repay the cool 600m USD the government has loaned them though.... That'll take a while.
Chris
I am not sure your $600m loan figure is still up to date. I think that they might have paid this off / paid this down already. Meanwhile it is not a concern: the companies market capitalisation is $31.2bn currently, so all they would have to do is issue 2% of new shares in a secondary listing and hand the cash over to the government.Chris
Meanwhile, I look at this car (at the Santa Monica dealer) and I see... tat. I can't stand it. £80,000 on a used one? Ha. Bye, bye.
They paid off the entire government loan last year, IIRC. GranCab said:
This type of display makes far more sense than Tesla's enormous ill-sited iPad thingy - it is in a sensible place and it is a sensible size ......
Hasn't it got one of them as well? I think the default behaviour is to display the next turn information on the instrument binnacle and the overall route information (or something else entirely) on the main screen, so you never have to look at the big screen when actually following the satnav's directions.
Edited by kambites on Friday 8th August 09:56
kambites said:
dtmpower said:
But the Tesla's screen on the dash also has all the cabin controls on it, there are no other dials or buttons.
Yes, I think that's the biggest complaint about it. dtmpower said:
From a manufacturing point of view - cheaper to write software for a touchscreen than raid a parts bin for switches and dials.
Indeed, but from a user point of view it's easier (and safer) to use controls that have some form of tactile feedback when concentrating on driving. kambites said:
Indeed, but from a user point of view it's easier (and safer) to use controls that have some form of tactile feedback when concentrating on driving.
I agree with that - I can use nearly all the controls on my e46 without looking or at worst a slight glance. But it's the future, a screen with voice commands or wave commands. A Scotsman said:
I drive quite regularly from the N of Scotland to Plymouth. It's about 650 miles which I can do comfortably in about 12hrs. I do not somehow envisage buying a car which would take me up to three days to do the same trip especially at Tesla prices.
http://www.teslamotorsclub.com/showthread.php/24016-Supercharger-Locations-UK/page9By the end of next year Telsa will have plenty of places to stop and "fill up". You might complain it will take 30 minutes to recharge. But I've only driven to Scotland twice - from the midlands and both times I stopped of for lunch somewhere near the M74 IIRC.
What Telsa are doing is including the charging infrastructure cost in the price of the car, unless you get the base spec 60kWh version, where it becomes a £2,000 option. Not bad considering you then get "free" supercharges for life.
What I really like about what Telsa are doing is you only need 1 plug for any type of charger. Much better than what BMW/Nissan etc are doing where there are competitng standards for fast charging. CHAdeMO and CCS. Telsa went their own way and used the existing Type 2 Connector - but do some handshaking controls with the car before deciding to dump 120KW down the wire :-)
The public charging points for BMW and Nissan owners (and the rest) are only 50kW for now.
I'll be first in the queue for a model 3 as 95% of my annual mileage is trips of 160 miles or less.
A Scotsman said:
I drive quite regularly from the N of Scotland to Plymouth. It's about 650 miles which I can do comfortably in about 12hrs. I do not somehow envisage buying a car which would take me up to three days to do the same trip especially at Tesla prices.
Wow,interesting snip into your life there.
Anyone with that sort of disposable would have probably taken the plane anyway.
the big screen is highly configurable. I generally have Nav in the top half and the energy usage chart below, but this could be the media controls, an internet browser radio or even the rear view camera. Car settings like lighting, climate and suspension are generally set to auto and forget, and some like sunroof are also controlled via a thumbwheel on an instrument stalk with graphics on the main dash display (which does also have a smaller Nav screen)
The law prevents Flashplayer etc from being downloaded so playing video on the screen is not possible, but I presume there are ways around this if you are desperate.
It is great to see so much acceptance on this site as this really is a cool product. Not for everyone of course, and Model 3 is going to be key but electric motors are the dogs wotsits.
To the knockers, well let's just say I look forward to red lights these days... see you there!
The law prevents Flashplayer etc from being downloaded so playing video on the screen is not possible, but I presume there are ways around this if you are desperate.
It is great to see so much acceptance on this site as this really is a cool product. Not for everyone of course, and Model 3 is going to be key but electric motors are the dogs wotsits.
To the knockers, well let's just say I look forward to red lights these days... see you there!
JonnyVTEC said:
A Scotsman said:
I drive quite regularly from the N of Scotland to Plymouth. It's about 650 miles which I can do comfortably in about 12hrs. I do not somehow envisage buying a car which would take me up to three days to do the same trip especially at Tesla prices.
Wow,interesting snip into your life there.
Anyone with that sort of disposable would have probably taken the plane anyway.
dtmpower said:
What law is this ?
Regulation 109 of the Road Vehicles Construction and Use Regulations 1986 said:
No person shall drive, or cause or permit to be driven, a motor vehicle on a road, if the driver is in such a position as to be able to see, whether directly or by reflection, a television receiving apparatus or other cinematographic apparatus used to display anything other than information:
(a) about the state of the vehicle or its equipment;
(b) about the location of the vehicle and the road on which it is located;
(c) to assist the driver to see the road adjacent to the vehicle; or
(d) to assist the driver to reach his destination.
I guess it's legal for the screen to be able to play video, but not to do so while the car is moving. (a) about the state of the vehicle or its equipment;
(b) about the location of the vehicle and the road on which it is located;
(c) to assist the driver to see the road adjacent to the vehicle; or
(d) to assist the driver to reach his destination.
Edited by kambites on Friday 8th August 16:10
kambites said:
dtmpower said:
What law is this ?
Regulation 109 of the Road Vehicles Construction and Use Regulations 1986 said:
No person shall drive, or cause or permit to be driven, a motor vehicle on a road, if the driver is in such a position as to be able to see, whether directly or by reflection, a television receiving apparatus or other cinematographic apparatus used to display anything other than information:
(a) about the state of the vehicle or its equipment;
(b) about the location of the vehicle and the road on which it is located;
(c) to assist the driver to see the road adjacent to the vehicle; or
(d) to assist the driver to reach his destination.
I guess it's legal for the screen to be able to play video, but not to do so while the car is moving. (a) about the state of the vehicle or its equipment;
(b) about the location of the vehicle and the road on which it is located;
(c) to assist the driver to see the road adjacent to the vehicle; or
(d) to assist the driver to reach his destination.
Edited by kambites on Friday 8th August 16:10
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