Flemke - Is this your McLaren? (Vol 5)
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waremark said:
I was asking about the Taraf because of Speckled Jims comments about how difficult it is to make a superb luxury car. Rolls and Bentley do it so well that I do understand that it is hard to match them let alone beat them.
Fwiw, Bentleys and Rollses share their platforms with other VAG and BMW models, respectively.SydneyBridge said:
I am assuming McLaren would not consider collaborating with another company do any kind of platform share - they would prefer to develop everything themselves?
Certainly Ron wouldn't allow it. Pride and all that. But times they are a changing.AFAIK New Panamera shares Audi underpinnings? Much like Macan/Q5 and Cayenne/Q7 from the VW link. I can't think who McLaren would want to partner with, and in the same mould who'd want to partner with them either.
Only "maybe" would be Acura, (perhaps the RLX). But even then it's a serious amount of tweaking, to turn this.
into a McLaren
flemke said:
Fwiw, Bentleys and Rollses share their platforms with other VAG and BMW models, respectively.
My understanding is that what you say is correct for the cheaper cars from both manufacturers but that the Phantom and, particularly, Mulsanne have unique platforms. Is that not the case? I presume they share many components with other cars from the parent company whatever the platform, however.andyps said:
flemke said:
Fwiw, Bentleys and Rollses share their platforms with other VAG and BMW models, respectively.
My understanding is that what you say is correct for the cheaper cars from both manufacturers but that the Phantom and, particularly, Mulsanne have unique platforms. Is that not the case? I presume they share many components with other cars from the parent company whatever the platform, however.waremark said:
I was asking about the Taraf because of Speckled Jims comments about how difficult it is to make a superb luxury car. Rolls and Bentley do it so well that I do understand that it is hard to match them let alone beat them.
Sadly I am sure Mulsanne and Phantom will absolutely demolish Taraf in objective terms.Exclusivity is the sticking plaster that in 99% of cases wont stick. But if you only need 1%, then that might be enough.
The great thing is that we are all different with varying ideas of what appeals.
They say that beauty is in the eye of the beholder. To a degree the same can be said about feel, sound and performance.
Then you have that fickle thing called 'brand loyalty'. Some will forgive quite a bit for the 'member of the family' feeling.
Basically, what I am saying is that there will be quite a few Aston Martin owners/enthusiast who will happily part with their money.
The same may not apply to McLaren as they lack the history and are seen as more modern/high tech/racy. Their only chance is to make something for (I hate to put it this sexist way) the lady wife.... A McLaren family!
Paul
They say that beauty is in the eye of the beholder. To a degree the same can be said about feel, sound and performance.
Then you have that fickle thing called 'brand loyalty'. Some will forgive quite a bit for the 'member of the family' feeling.
Basically, what I am saying is that there will be quite a few Aston Martin owners/enthusiast who will happily part with their money.
The same may not apply to McLaren as they lack the history and are seen as more modern/high tech/racy. Their only chance is to make something for (I hate to put it this sexist way) the lady wife.... A McLaren family!
Paul
Hi Flemke,
Hope you don't mind me bringing this thread back to your F1. What is the status with your brakes? Have you got any more additions planned?
You also once mentioned having LM suspension fitted to the car. How did this compare to standard and your new custom set up?
Your posts are always appreciated and make great reading.
Hope you don't mind me bringing this thread back to your F1. What is the status with your brakes? Have you got any more additions planned?
You also once mentioned having LM suspension fitted to the car. How did this compare to standard and your new custom set up?
Your posts are always appreciated and make great reading.
I have a friend following along on this NZ Tour with invitation from McLaren Auckland and he has reported that the damage to the car is certainly minor.
Going back in time, this particular F1 (chassis #009) was nearly written off in a previous accident at the hands of a service technician from McLaren Sydney in 1997 while still with the original owner. Given that, it is likely fair to say that today's off will do little to harm the car's valuation. An inconvenience to the car's owner, and unfortunate he gains this kind of publicity, but we all know that with the help of MSO Heritage he will have it back on the road and good as new in short order.
>8^)
ER
Going back in time, this particular F1 (chassis #009) was nearly written off in a previous accident at the hands of a service technician from McLaren Sydney in 1997 while still with the original owner. Given that, it is likely fair to say that today's off will do little to harm the car's valuation. An inconvenience to the car's owner, and unfortunate he gains this kind of publicity, but we all know that with the help of MSO Heritage he will have it back on the road and good as new in short order.
>8^)
ER
Cannot remember seeing this discussed before in this thread...
'Centro' Porsche
Flemke likes a Porsche, Flemke likes a McLaren therefore...
'Centro' Porsche
Flemke likes a Porsche, Flemke likes a McLaren therefore...
Mjunkie said:
Hi Flemke,
Hope you don't mind me bringing this thread back to your F1. What is the status with your brakes? Have you got any more additions planned?
You also once mentioned having LM suspension fitted to the car. How did this compare to standard and your new custom set up?
Your posts are always appreciated and make great reading.
Brakes: the fellow with whom I have been working is waiting for test results on my rotors from one of the few companies in the world that manufacture carbon-carbon brakes. Once we have that information (relating primarily to optimisation of pad size and material) we can move forward.Hope you don't mind me bringing this thread back to your F1. What is the status with your brakes? Have you got any more additions planned?
You also once mentioned having LM suspension fitted to the car. How did this compare to standard and your new custom set up?
Your posts are always appreciated and make great reading.
However, for me the exciting news is that the same fellow has a completely different concept for rotor design which is now in the testing phase. I don't think he's been granted the patents for it yet, so I certainly could not describe it here, but just say that it's one of those "Why didn't someone think of that before?" brilliant ideas.
Re suspension, the "LM" suspension had springs that were, IIRC, about 60% stiffer than standard and an anti-roll bar that was about 45% stiffer than standard. These alterations made the car more stable, but they added understeer and made the car feel less wieldy than one would want. After all, they were designed for a car with a lot more downforce than the standard car, and for straight-line Vmax stability, neither of which applies to me.
I now have that same stiffer anti-roll bar and, roughly speaking, springs that are about 30% stiffer than standard. Bear inm ind as well that the tyres I run are much stiffer vertically than the standard tyre. We have not done a calculation, but I think the spring rates front and rear are nearly but not quite as stiff as the car had with the LM suspension. Also bear in mind that I now have 4-way adjustable dampers, which I run towards the soft side in high speed and the hard side in low speed.
I may go softer still on the springs, although in doing that I would probably aim for a stiffer bar.
flemke said:
Re suspension, the "LM" suspension had springs that were, IIRC, about 60% stiffer than standard and an anti-roll bar that was about 45% stiffer than standard. These alterations made the car more stable, but they added understeer and made the car feel less wieldy than one would want. After all, they were designed for a car with a lot more downforce than the standard car, and for straight-line Vmax stability, neither of which applies to me.
I now have that same stiffer anti-roll bar and, roughly speaking, springs that are about 30% stiffer than standard. Bear inm ind as well that the tyres I run are much stiffer vertically than the standard tyre. We have not done a calculation, but I think the spring rates front and rear are nearly but not quite as stiff as the car had with the LM suspension. Also bear in mind that I now have 4-way adjustable dampers, which I run towards the soft side in high speed and the hard side in low speed.
I may go softer still on the springs, although in doing that I would probably aim for a stiffer bar.
Flemke, did the GTRs/LMs have anti roll bars that the road car didn't have? I always thought the F1 did not have any to be honest, could have sworn I read that in Meaden's article about your car way back when it was in the lighter blue at Bedford... Or am I completely confused.... I now have that same stiffer anti-roll bar and, roughly speaking, springs that are about 30% stiffer than standard. Bear inm ind as well that the tyres I run are much stiffer vertically than the standard tyre. We have not done a calculation, but I think the spring rates front and rear are nearly but not quite as stiff as the car had with the LM suspension. Also bear in mind that I now have 4-way adjustable dampers, which I run towards the soft side in high speed and the hard side in low speed.
I may go softer still on the springs, although in doing that I would probably aim for a stiffer bar.
Have to try to dig up my copy of Driving Ambition for a look later I suppose!Paddy_N_Murphy said:
Mezzanine said:
Cannot remember seeing this discussed before in this thread...
'Centro' Porsche
Flemke likes a Porsche, Flemke likes a McLaren therefore...
So close, yet so far. A convertible so a Fail I believe ?'Centro' Porsche
Flemke likes a Porsche, Flemke likes a McLaren therefore...
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