Flemke - Is this your McLaren? (Vol 5)

[br d]

E65Ross said:

SydneyBridge said:

flemke said:

noell35 said:

blue? Looks Gold to me??

Good one.

stupid question..

would the weight of a McLaren in gold, be worth more than the car?

9ct gold going for just under £10 per gram.... 1kg being just under £10k, 1 tonne £10 million, F1 weighs 1140kgs so I suspect the gold would be more.... Even if it's only 9ct but it's not far off

Presumably then there are a few classic Ferraris out there who's values have now surpassed their own weight in gold.
That's staggering.

[Dr JonboyG]

flemke said:

Grigio and TDF - colours that disguise the actual shapes of the car!

That big gouge that runs from the front wing along the entire length of the door is utterly hideous. The way they have brought the lower ends of the splitter up at a sharp angle - essentially an elbow - and even highlighted them by making the centre of the splitter black, is almost as bad.
Ferrari have not figured out that there is a difference between being radical and futuristic and being awkward for the sake of being awkward.



Dynamically the F12 is a real achievement, but its looks will forever ruin it.

The current shape is the best so far. Interior is much nicer finally too.

[E65Ross]

The corvettes have always been a bit "hey, look at me" for my liking. One of the reasons I prefer the 12C to the 458.

[Monty Python]

br d said:

Presumably then there are a few classic Ferraris out there who's values have now surpassed their own weight in gold.
That's staggering.

Top 10 cars and their "gold" equivalent:

Ferrari 250GTO - £22.8million - "gold" value £24million
Mercedes W196 - £17.7million, "gold" value £15.1million
Ferrari 275 GTB/4*S NART Spider - £16.5million, "gold" value £27.8million
Ferrari 275GTB/C Speciale - £15.8million, "gold" value £14.8million
Ferrari 375-Plue Spider Competitzione - £11million, "gold" value £22.7million
Ferrari 250 Testarossa - £9.8million, "gold" value £20million
Ferrari 250LM - ££8.6million, "gold" value £21.5million
Mercedes-Benz 540K Special Roadster - £7million, "gold" value £56.6million

So you're quite right - the 275GTB/C Speciale is worth more than it's weight in gold, as is the Mercedes W196.

Edited by Monty Python on Thursday 5th March 10:25

[OzzyR1]

Monty Python said:

Top 10 cars and their "gold" equivalent:

Ferrari 250GTO - £22.8million - "gold" value £24million
Mercedes W196 - £17.7million, "gold" value £5.1million
Ferrari 275 GTB/4*S NART Spider - £16.5million, "gold" value £27.8million
Ferrari 275GTB/C Speciale - £15.8million, "gold" value £14.8million
Ferrari 375-Plue Spider Competitzione - £11million, "gold" value £22.7million
Ferrari 250 Testarossa - £9.8million, "gold" value £20million
Ferrari 250LM - ££8.6million, "gold" value £21.5million
Mercedes-Benz 540K Special Roadster - £7million, "gold" value £56.6million

So you're quite right - the 275GTB/C Speciale is worth more than it's weight in gold, as is the Mercedes W196.

How does that work than, I thought the "gold" value was directly related to the weight of the car.

The Merc can't weight 5x less than a 250GTO??

[SuperVM]

OzzyR1 said:

Monty Python said:

Top 10 cars and their "gold" equivalent:

Ferrari 250GTO - £22.8million - "gold" value £24million
Mercedes W196 - £17.7million, "gold" value £5.1million
Ferrari 275 GTB/4*S NART Spider - £16.5million, "gold" value £27.8million
Ferrari 275GTB/C Speciale - £15.8million, "gold" value £14.8million
Ferrari 375-Plue Spider Competitzione - £11million, "gold" value £22.7million
Ferrari 250 Testarossa - £9.8million, "gold" value £20million
Ferrari 250LM - ££8.6million, "gold" value £21.5million
Mercedes-Benz 540K Special Roadster - £7million, "gold" value £56.6million

So you're quite right - the 275GTB/C Speciale is worth more than it's weight in gold, as is the Mercedes W196.

How does that work than, I thought the "gold" value was directly related to the weight of the car.

The Merc can't weight 5x less than a 250GTO??

Typo I imagine, I think a 1 was left out before the 5.

[Monty Python]

Yep - should be £15.1 million, not £5.1 million.

[andyps]

Back to the F12, one way to get rid of the gouges in the side is this:

[Police State]

andyps said:

Back to the F12, one way to get rid of the gouges in the side is this:

more pictures here.

http://www.classicdriver.com/en/article/cars/touri...

They should pin these picture up in their styling studio to remind the stylists that a modern Ferrari can still have the styling DNA, classy detailing, correct proportions and still look 'exclusive' enough to be a Ferrari.

The original F12 looks like a dogs dinner compared to this beauty.

[anniesdad]

Not a fan of this ^, looks too much like a 612 Scaglietti to me, which in itself is no looker.

[Police State]

anniesdad said:

Not a fan of this ^, looks too much like a 612 Scaglietti to me, which in itself is no looker.

I Agree, it does have a fair dollop of 612 about it, but at least the scag' had that 'classic coach built' look about it. That element is something that I think this has too, which I think is an essential ingredient that the latest generation Ferraris lack. I think it will age so much better than the original F12.

I also think that if you removed the badges, and if you look at the other images in the link, that it could pass for a modern Aston, (which also lack the coach built look about them).

Edited by Police State on Thursday 5th March 13:00

[Dr JonboyG]

Paddy_N_Murphy said:

O/T.

On TG the other week, when honking around it was a Manual I recall ? With great big sodding paddles behind the Steering wheel
Anyone know, see, or wonder?

On the manual, the paddles activate (or deactivate) rev matching on downshifts: http://arstechnica.com/cars/2015/01/review-2014-st...

On the 8-speed the paddles let you shift gears, haven't had a chance to drive one of those yet though.

[trackdemon]

Police State said:

I also think that if you removed the badges, and if you look at the other images in the link, that it could pass for a modern Aston, (which also lack the coach built look about them).

Whereas, if you removed the badging from an F12, I think most would be able to identify it's marque of origin. It also looks a whole lot more modern than the Superleggera; perhaps it'll date, but I doubt current buyers care much about that. Still think the F12 looks fantastic; for me, the 'gouges' don't harm the form much at all.

[Mogul]

My starting point is that I like the F12 and spent a solid 5 mins on the Touring Superleggera stand in Geneva trying to fall for the Lusso this AM but for me, it just misses the mark...

The profile, rear and rear three quarters are great but ditching the aero bits of the F12s front wings makes them 'a bit less interesting' and there is quite an expanse behind the front wheel arch and the a-pillar/door which then appears to be 2-3 inches too long for me. By the way, I think that SF shields actually spoil the F12 in this area. Can you can have an F12 without them?

I found the front end of the Lusso to be somewhat bland which may be OK if you are looking for a really discrete look but it is perhaps a shame that the bonnet could not come right down to the grille like it does on an Aston. Of course the F12 bonnet does not go all the way to the grille and that was probably a difficult thing to change but we are left with a horizontal panel gap between front bumper and bonnet that is quite prominent. With the F12, you have that large central bonnet vent here that takes your eye off it. On the Lusso, the longitudinal bonnet vents are quite discrete (although the chrome Superleggera badges are actually quite hefty/chunky and catch the eye and are not nearly as delicate as they look in the photos on that Classic Driver link). The vents themselves are possibly 'too far back' visually to help take your eyes off the big expanse of bonnet and that panel gap. Perhaps a discrete badge on the grille would help here or a self adhesive number plate à la DB4 GT Zagato (joking!). I do like the frenched-in rear badge. Overall I preferred the MINI Superleggera Vision concept - cheesy Union Flag tail lights included, so what do I know.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CPxJHA5b97k

[Police State]

trackdemon said:

Police State said:

I also think that if you removed the badges, and if you look at the other images in the link, that it could pass for a modern Aston, (which also lack the coach built look about them).

Whereas, if you removed the badging from an F12, I think most would be able to identify it's marque of origin. It also looks a whole lot more modern than the Superleggera; perhaps it'll date, but I doubt current buyers care much about that. Still think the F12 looks fantastic; for me, the 'gouges' don't harm the form much at all.

That is the problem for me, it is just (stylistically) modern looking, Chim was going on about lineage a few pages back, but I think the Touring does a better job of echoing the V12GT lineage than the F12 does. I agree with flemke, the gouges are plain awful and something that should have stayed in the studio. The front and back ends are just gimmicky looking; the only decent line on it is the roof, and that's fairly generic.

[flemke]

Police State said:

andyps said:

Back to the F12, one way to get rid of the gouges in the side is this:

more pictures here.

http://www.classicdriver.com/en/article/cars/touri...

They should pin these picture up in their styling studio to remind the stylists that a modern Ferrari can still have the styling DNA, classy detailing, correct proportions and still look 'exclusive' enough to be a Ferrari.

The original F12 looks like a dogs dinner compared to this beauty.

Miles better than that with which they started.

[rb26]

Hi Flemke, As someone who is clearly interested in engineering I'd be interested to hear what you think about the Lexus LFA comparatively to the Carrera GT.



V.

[DeuxCentCinq]

rb26 said:

Oh no. Gouges!

[alecmets2011]

rb26 said:

Hi Flemke, As someone who is clearly interested in engineering I'd be interested to hear what you think about the Lexus LFA comparatively to the Carrera GT.



V.

Two of the best sounding cars ever in my opinion.

The F1 probably third on that list. Different type of sound. More mechanical, but still glorious

[flemke]

rb26 said:

Hi Flemke, As someone who is clearly interested in engineering I'd be interested to hear what you think about the Lexus LFA comparatively to the Carrera GT.



V.

Although I have never driven or even ridden in an LFA, nor do I know anyone who owns one, I like the idea. It reminds me of the NSX - design unlike anything else, laying out its own take on what a "supercar" can be, lovely details and build quality. More than once I have seriously considering getting one, except for...



That bloody steering "wheel" is a deal-breaker for me. Why oh why did they have to make the bottom of it so straight? Idiotic.