Flemke - Is this your McLaren? (Vol 5)

[E65Ross]

turbobloke said:

Shotgun Rider said:

flemke said:

It was a Range Rover (as I said, for someone else!).

At least it wasn't Gillian Taylforth's Range Rover.

Not forgetting Jordan's pink'un.

Not sure I see the relevance of her pink'un to cars

[djdest]

Was lucky enough to see 16R at Supercar Sunday near Bedford this morning.
As I was looking around it I heard someone ask how much it was worth, he was told that the owner would start to consider offers over £20m!

[hurstg01]

A great livery, a great example and a great owner

As well as that one, 16R, there were other GTR's 'out and about' this past week -

14R was at Carfest South last weekend -



06R was at Salon Prive at Blenheim Palace since Friday



and 05R was on display in France

Edited by hurstg01 on Sunday 6th September 18:45

[flemke]

djdest said:

Was lucky enough to see 16R at Supercar Sunday near Bedford this morning.
As I was looking around it I heard someone ask how much it was worth, he was told that the owner would start to consider offers over £20m!

One of the nicest liveries, although I'm not sure that the Italian flag goes well with it.

As for the owner's target price, I think he may have to wait a while.

[flemke]

hurstg01 said:

A great livery, a great example and a great owner

As well as that one, 16R, there were other GTR's 'out and about' this past week -

14R was at Carfest South last weekend -



06R was at Salon Prive at Blenheim Palace since Friday



and 05R was on display in France

The Papaya car is nice, the Cesar thing is awful.

Harrod's car somewhere in between; livery not bad in itself, but associations with certain persons compromise the provenance, IMO.

[RobinBanks]

Did you end up buying Madonna's Range Rover?

I looked at a Range Rover that was previously owned by the Duke of Westminster, but it was in a bad way. I know!
That was a great anecdote.

[F1GTRUeno]

flemke said:

The Papaya car is nice, the Cesar thing is awful.

The Papaya car shouldn't even be a thing.

Fools the uninitiated into thinking it's an LM and does a disservice to racing history/provenance.

[Obi Wan]

Out of interest what are GTR's going for?

[flemke]

RobinBanks said:

Did you end up buying Madonna's Range Rover?

I looked at a Range Rover that was previously owned by the Duke of Westminster, but it was in a bad way. I know!
That was a great anecdote.

No. It would have been fine for the purpose, but I did not want anything associated with her.

[SydneyBridge]

Obi Wan said:

Out of interest what are GTR's going for?

a GTR longtail sold for £3.2 million last year

http://www.topgear.com/car-news/supercar/mclaren-f...

I have always been led to believe that the road cars are generally worth more than a GTR - anyone like to comment if this is correct?

[flemke]

F1GTRUeno said:

flemke said:

The Papaya car is nice, the Cesar thing is awful.

The Papaya car shouldn't even be a thing.

Fools the uninitiated into thinking it's an LM and does a disservice to racing history/provenance.

It's a tricky one. In order to respect history, in principle one would like to maintain or restore the original racing livery. The problem with that is that many, perhaps most, modern racing liveries are unattractive on a racing car and on a road car they look ridiculous.
I believe that this is #014's sister car in the same original livery:



Would you want to be driving around town in that? I have driven around town in a GTR in that livery, and it felt pretty stupid (especially when your turning circle is about the same as that for an articulated lorry!)

If you're not going to use the original livery (for example, there are no circumstances whatsoever under which I would drive around in the ludicrous Cesar livery), what do you do? You can't really adopt another GTR's livery. Do you make up a "racing" livery of your own, or do you go for a single colour?

Maybe a single colour other than papaya would be the way to go. I think that, however, papaya is the one colour with which Bruce McLaren Racing is associated.

In a way it is too bad that so many F1s are now in the same papaya colour. Having said that, no-one seems to complain when someone paints a Ferrari red, and there are a hell of a lot more red Ferraris floating around than there are papaya McLarens.

I quite agree with your objection to anyone's trying to make a GTR seem like an LM. Perhaps the papaya GTRs should have a notice on them: "Warning: This is NOT an F1 LM".

You could always do this:



although I am not sure that silver with orange is the most successful paint combo in history.

[djdest]

I think that would look awesome if the silver was slightly darker (anthracite even?)

[flemke]

SydneyBridge said:

Obi Wan said:

Out of interest what are GTR's going for?

a GTR longtail sold for £3.2 million last year

http://www.topgear.com/car-news/supercar/mclaren-f...

I have always been led to believe that the road cars are generally worth more than a GTR - anyone like to comment if this is correct?

That auction was in Dec '13, so nearly 2 years ago. Although no GTR (apart of course from the Le Mans winner) has any meaningful racing provenance, that particular car has an even less significant provenance than some others do.

Your thinking is correct. Until recently, the GTRs usually sold for maybe 25% less than the road cars did. Again, the problem was no provenance. How many people care whether a car won a round of the BPR series? Almost meaningless.

However, one prominent car dealer has spent many years trying to talk up the values of GTRs. Now, you must remember that, whilst he was doing this, by sheer coincidence he owned a GTR himself. Sheer coincidence!

This guy succeeded to the point where, I am told, he was recently able to shift his own GTR for $22.5m, or roughly £14m. No normal road car has gone for anything like that. I consider that price, in the context of other current values, to be pretty stupid, but it is what it is.

[flemke]

djdest said:

I think that would look awesome if the silver was slightly darker (anthracite even?)

Anthracite is not silver!

It's the metallic feature of silver that makes it clash with a solid colour, which papaya and most oranges usually are. Indeed, the more metallic content of an anthracite, the more difficulty it will have with orange.

[Obi Wan]

SydneyBridge said:

a GTR longtail sold for £3.2 million last year

http://www.topgear.com/car-news/supercar/mclaren-f...

I have always been led to believe that the road cars are generally worth more than a GTR - anyone like to comment if this is correct?

I meant short tails. I've never been a fan of the long tails.

[djdest]

flemke said:

Anthracite is not silver!

That's why I added it in brackets as a totally separate option

[flemke]

djdest said:

flemke said:

Anthracite is not silver!

That's why I added it in brackets as a totally separate option

You are a discerning man.

[michael243]

Flemke, have you owned the F1 from new?

[flemke]

michael243 said:

Flemke, have you owned the F1 from new?

I bought it in 2001.

[hurstg01]

flemke said:

no GTR (apart of course from the Le Mans winner) has any meaningful racing provenance, that particular car has an even less significant provenance than some others do.

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flemke said:

....he was recently able to shift his own GTR for $22.5m, or roughly £14m. No normal road car has gone for anything like that. I consider that price, in the context of other current values, to be pretty stupid, but it is what it is.

3rd at Le Mans is a pretty good notch on the rollbar to have, although there is another GTR with a better over all win / place record in other competitions / championships that was for sale for a while a year or so back that stayed with its owner (for now....)