Flemke - Is this your McLaren? (Vol 5)
Discussion
Tenebrae said:
Found on another forum: http://www.mclarenlife.com/forums/mclaren-p1-f1/39...
Thoughts? I would hate to jump to conclusions (there is litle in the way of explanation in the linked thread) but if done at the factory it kind of puts Ferrari welds in perspective... :> Flemke, have you seen the inside of your clam?
I can't say that this hugely concerns me. We don't know how much of what is "solid" yellow in this image has to be that way because it will be visible when the pieces are assembled. Without knowing that, we cannot know to what extent we are seeing thoughtless overspray. One would not want the entire piece to be painted, which would entail unnecessary weight for no function.Thoughts? I would hate to jump to conclusions (there is litle in the way of explanation in the linked thread) but if done at the factory it kind of puts Ferrari welds in perspective... :> Flemke, have you seen the inside of your clam?
The Ferrari crap welds are quite different, because they go directly to the question of the poor build quality and suspect structural integrity - a safety issue rather than a mere cosmetic one.
Also, one tends to find that a person who lays down shoddy welds is incapable of laying down clean, solid welds. A similar distinction does not necessarily apply to a painter who is careless with overspray.
flemke said:
Tenebrae said:
Found on another forum: http://www.mclarenlife.com/forums/mclaren-p1-f1/39...
Thoughts? I would hate to jump to conclusions (there is litle in the way of explanation in the linked thread) but if done at the factory it kind of puts Ferrari welds in perspective... :> Flemke, have you seen the inside of your clam?
I can't say that this hugely concerns me. We don't know how much of what is "solid" yellow in this image has to be that way because it will be visible when the pieces are assembled. Without knowing that, we cannot know to what extent we are seeing thoughtless overspray. One would not want the entire piece to be painted, which would entail unnecessary weight for no function.Thoughts? I would hate to jump to conclusions (there is litle in the way of explanation in the linked thread) but if done at the factory it kind of puts Ferrari welds in perspective... :> Flemke, have you seen the inside of your clam?
The Ferrari crap welds are quite different, because they go directly to the question of the poor build quality and suspect structural integrity - a safety issue rather than a mere cosmetic one.
Also, one tends to find that a person who lays down shoddy welds is incapable of laying down clean, solid welds. A similar distinction does not necessarily apply to a painter who is careless with overspray.
epom said:
Are we talking about the welds on the F40 et al ?? I thought the reason that was held in such high esteem was that it did away with the need for anything cosmetic? No need for anything nice or lovely to look at. It was function over form.
The point is the quality of the (functional) welding was well below that which you'd find on a £40 kids bike.Well, if you decide to flog the P1, you could always give these people a call, and order a brand new original GT40. Fabulous !!
http://gelscoemotorsport.com/?p=402
http://gelscoemotorsport.com/?page_id=419
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http://gelscoemotorsport.com/?p=402
http://gelscoemotorsport.com/?page_id=419
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robinessex said:
Well, if you decide to flog the P1, you could always give these people a call, and order a brand new original GT40. Fabulous !!
http://gelscoemotorsport.com/?p=402
http://gelscoemotorsport.com/?page_id=419
Dribble, dribble .................!!!
I like this quote:http://gelscoemotorsport.com/?p=402
http://gelscoemotorsport.com/?page_id=419
Dribble, dribble .................!!!
Gelscoe said:
Every single part of the Car is made within the UK. The Chassis is constructed by our own team within Derbyshire and has never been anywhere near South Africa!
Not so sure about those brakes!:
Mmm, maybe, although I decided against a Kirkham "Cobra" because of the hassle involved in running an older-style car. This would be similar.
A friend has got me somewhat interested in the new Ford GT. I appreciate that it is not quite the same thing as a GT40, but it is in the ball park.
SpeckledJim said:
epom said:
Are we talking about the welds on the F40 et al ?? I thought the reason that was held in such high esteem was that it did away with the need for anything cosmetic? No need for anything nice or lovely to look at. It was function over form.
The point is the quality of the (functional) welding was well below that which you'd find on a £40 kids bike.flemke said:
I can't say that this hugely concerns me. We don't know how much of what is "solid" yellow in this image has to be that way because it will be visible when the pieces are assembled. Without knowing that, we cannot know to what extent we are seeing thoughtless overspray. One would not want the entire piece to be painted, which would entail unnecessary weight for no function.
The Ferrari crap welds are quite different, because they go directly to the question of the poor build quality and suspect structural integrity - a safety issue rather than a mere cosmetic one.
Also, one tends to find that a person who lays down shoddy welds is incapable of laying down clean, solid welds. A similar distinction does not necessarily apply to a painter who is careless with overspray.
Fair enough. Wrt welds vs overspray, I do realise the difference, however I was making a point about (the lack of) *perceived* build quality (my favourite word, lately) in both Ferrari and Mclaren cases. I just don't think that for instance Bugatti would leave it painted like that, even if there was a semi-valid reason like the one you mentioned. They would just engineer it differently, not to have a problem in the first place. And yes, it would likely carry weight penalty, but they would probably accept it. Here, the solution (if your theory is right) looks, for lack of a better word, very... Italian (or very Lotus?). The Ferrari crap welds are quite different, because they go directly to the question of the poor build quality and suspect structural integrity - a safety issue rather than a mere cosmetic one.
Also, one tends to find that a person who lays down shoddy welds is incapable of laying down clean, solid welds. A similar distinction does not necessarily apply to a painter who is careless with overspray.
Edited by Tenebrae on Friday 19th February 09:25
flemke said:
robinessex said:
Well, if you decide to flog the P1, you could always give these people a call, and order a brand new original GT40. Fabulous !!
http://gelscoemotorsport.com/?p=402
http://gelscoemotorsport.com/?page_id=419
Dribble, dribble .................!!!
I like this quote:http://gelscoemotorsport.com/?p=402
http://gelscoemotorsport.com/?page_id=419
Dribble, dribble .................!!!
Gelscoe said:
Every single part of the Car is made within the UK. The Chassis is constructed by our own team within Derbyshire and has never been anywhere near South Africa!
Not so sure about those brakes!:Mmm, maybe, although I decided against a Kirkham "Cobra" because of the hassle involved in running an older-style car. This would be similar.
A friend has got me somewhat interested in the new Ford GT. I appreciate that it is not quite the same thing as a GT40, but it is in the ball park.
http://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/f...
This place in Australia make RH conversion. http://www.crossovercarconversions.com.au/vehicle-...
I believe they only did 6, all gone.
But.
The Ford GT's, when they came to the UK, were handled by Roush from the states. http://www.roushperformance.com They had a factory just around the corner to me. The factory has been taken over by Mountune. http://www.mountune.com They now handle/look after all the Ford GT40s in the UK. So, if you decide to buy the Zero miles GT, you might be able to get Crossovercars to make up another RH drive kit, and get Mountune to do the actual conversion. Sorted !!!
Hope that helps you !
Edited by robinessex on Friday 19th February 10:06
Edited by robinessex on Friday 19th February 10:08
speedster986 said:
Well he shouln't ! The original is 'better' My opinion of course !!!robinessex said:
speedster986 said:
Well he shouln't ! The original is 'better' My opinion of course !!!DannyScene said:
robinessex said:
speedster986 said:
Well he shouln't ! The original is 'better' My opinion of course !!!
robinessex said:
Dunno. When I've seen both in the flesh, then I'll decide. But the old one sure has character and nostalgia !!!
I have seen all three generations at once. The first GT is a handsome pastiche of/homage to(?) the original, but the new car made it look boring to my eyes. While of clear lineage, it deserves to be lauded as a design of its own.flemke said:
SpeckledJim said:
epom said:
Are we talking about the welds on the F40 et al ?? I thought the reason that was held in such high esteem was that it did away with the need for anything cosmetic? No need for anything nice or lovely to look at. It was function over form.
The point is the quality of the (functional) welding was well below that which you'd find on a £40 kids bike.epom said:
flemke said:
SpeckledJim said:
epom said:
Are we talking about the welds on the F40 et al ?? I thought the reason that was held in such high esteem was that it did away with the need for anything cosmetic? No need for anything nice or lovely to look at. It was function over form.
The point is the quality of the (functional) welding was well below that which you'd find on a £40 kids bike.On the other hand, the welds need to maintain their integrity also during a crash. I would be surprised if none had ever failed that test.
Jordan210 said:
Flemke whats your View on the Aston Martin Vulcan ?
Only asking as the dark blue and white one reminded me of your colour scheme.
The rear lights are very cool:Only asking as the dark blue and white one reminded me of your colour scheme.
More broadly, however, I think this genre of car - beginning with Ferrari FXX things, then P1 GTR, AM Vulcan, maybe someone else is doing them, I forget - is pretty silly. You get charged a massive amount of money for an exaggerated street car with a track bias.
For the same money, someone could do several seasons of proper racing in cars that are as fast or nearly as fast. That person would learn more and be more challenged. Okay, all "supercars" are superfluous, but these things are superficial as well.
Based on the look of these rear lights I have purchased materials to make something similar for a new rear clam I am planning for my Ultima.
I, obviously, think they look cool but I am not sure of the mentality of those buying cars like this. Want a racing car to do track days? Just buy one from one of the race car makers.
It is yet to be seen if these manufacturer maintained track day cars hold their value. I suspect not.
Paul
I, obviously, think they look cool but I am not sure of the mentality of those buying cars like this. Want a racing car to do track days? Just buy one from one of the race car makers.
It is yet to be seen if these manufacturer maintained track day cars hold their value. I suspect not.
Paul
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