Flemke - Is this your McLaren? (Vol 5)

Flemke - Is this your McLaren? (Vol 5)

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Joe911

2,763 posts

234 months

Friday 22nd July 2016
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mclwanB said:
Given the seating arrangement, position in the range and intended purpose how about F3 GT?

Price it to compete with a GT4Lusso, give it F1 amount of boot space and they might be on to a winner.

Or (please) ask BMW/Paul Roche to come up with a high revving large capacity V12 sequel, fit the legal minimum of driver aids and technology, not too much downforce/grip and go for the McLaren 911R market.
I can see no chance whatsoever of a big NA engine. For a run of 64 cars they will be fiddling with the engine they have, not building a new one.

It's odd though, isn't it - while being 'shrink-wrapped', the bodywork closely sculpted around the mechanicals, form following function ... great for a sports car, but how does that work as a GT? You are taking three people in style and comfort from London to Monaco ... where does the luggage go? The F1 has pretty clever packaging and some decent luggage space (though not enough for 3 people) - but it isn't a shrink-wrapped design.

Yeah of course your wealthy 64 can probably send their luggage ahead by private jet - but doesn't that mean the GT concept has failed - surely it is another sports car (and why not)?

mclwanB

600 posts

244 months

Friday 22nd July 2016
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Could they not just get the V10 from the last M5 and McLarenise it a bit?


I realise it is extremely likely to be another 3.8l V8 TT but that is rather depressing I find

PaulJC84

922 posts

216 months

Friday 22nd July 2016
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64 normal then 32 limited run models plus another 32 carbon versions............hehe

Joe911

2,763 posts

234 months

Friday 22nd July 2016
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PaulJC84 said:
64 normal then 32 limited run models plus another 32 carbon versions............hehe
plus 10 prototypes re-purposed ... plus double all that for the spider.

Sway

26,070 posts

193 months

Friday 22nd July 2016
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Joe911 said:
PaulJC84 said:
64 normal then 32 limited run models plus another 32 carbon versions............hehe
plus 10 prototypes re-purposed ... plus double all that for the spider.
Sir, you're mistaken. The coupes haven't yet sold out, there will be no spider. Honest. Pinky promise.

Now would Sir like to experience this car in the only format available, a rather lovely coupe, I think I can fit you in but I must warn you demand is strong...

flemke

22,864 posts

236 months

Saturday 23rd July 2016
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mclwanB said:
Nothing you can share? How disappointing but look forward to hearing more about it.
To the best of my knowledge the article is accurate (notwithstanding its journalistic excesses), and I don't know a great deal more than what it says. I should learn a lot more next week.

Silver Smudger

3,292 posts

166 months

Thanoj

82 posts

92 months

Monday 25th July 2016
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https://www.instagram.com/p/BIQUnHcACbI/?taken-by=...
'Salomondrin' says that those who can get the cars HAVE to be McLaren collectors, and if they get a car, they have to sign an NDA. So what's to say Flemke doesn't have one on order ? wink

flemke

22,864 posts

236 months

Monday 25th July 2016
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Silver Smudger said:
What the "boss" (of McLaren Automotive, not of the whole organisation) Mike Flewitt is saying is that they are not making a direct successor to the F1 (which featured extreme light weight, a normally aspirated V12 and a manual 'box).
He is not saying that they are not making the "GT" rumoured by Autocar. wink

flemke

22,864 posts

236 months

Monday 25th July 2016
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Thanoj said:
https://www.instagram.com/p/BIQUnHcACbI/?taken-by=...
'Salomondrin' says that those who can get the cars HAVE to be McLaren collectors, and if they get a car, they have to sign an NDA. So what's to say Flemke doesn't have one on order ? wink
Some of Salomondrin's teenage noises are correct, some are wrong.

dobly

1,168 posts

158 months

Monday 25th July 2016
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dobly said:
I wish more cars had the centre driving position & 2 passenger seat layout - it just makes so much sense to me. For this alone I envy you.

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Ahem, cough.....

is it also true that the body panels of this next car are going to be made of graphene?

Edited by dobly on Monday 25th July 22:31

coppice

8,564 posts

143 months

Tuesday 26th July 2016
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Unobtanium , or so I heard from a source close to somebody who knows somebody whose mum reckons she once saw Ronzo in a Pizza Hut in Woking . ....

Dr Gitlin

2,561 posts

238 months

Wednesday 27th July 2016
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flemke said:
The reason that I am still waiting for my car is that the builder has not finished the first "production" car yet. No one would recognise the name because effectively they don't exist.
It wasn't Christ Craft's Lightning was it?

flemke

22,864 posts

236 months

Wednesday 27th July 2016
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Dr Gitlin said:
flemke said:
The reason that I am still waiting for my car is that the builder has not finished the first "production" car yet. No one would recognise the name because effectively they don't exist.
It wasn't Christ Craft's Lightning was it?
No. Chris had started on that before I knew him, and it was going to be sort of a '50s-style hot-rod - not really my cup of tea.

flemke

22,864 posts

236 months

Wednesday 27th July 2016
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dobly said:
dobly said:
I wish more cars had the centre driving position & 2 passenger seat layout - it just makes so much sense to me. For this alone I envy you.

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Ahem, cough.....

is it also true that the body panels of this next car are going to be made of graphene?
As far as I know, just "normal" carbon fibre.

Output Flange

16,793 posts

210 months

Wednesday 27th July 2016
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This isn't directly related to the F1, but includes both McLaren and F1 separately, so...

There's a story doing the rounds that sometime in the late 90s McLaren commissioned Porsche to develop an F1 engine based on a twin-turbo Mezger pushing 1500hp, of which 40 were made. One is rumoured to reside in a 996 owned by Ron Dennis, the others are somewhere in storage.

Does anyone know about these, or even whether it's true?

flemke

22,864 posts

236 months

Wednesday 27th July 2016
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Output Flange said:
This isn't directly related to the F1, but includes both McLaren and F1 separately, so...

There's a story doing the rounds that sometime in the late 90s McLaren commissioned Porsche to develop an F1 engine based on a twin-turbo Mezger pushing 1500hp, of which 40 were made. One is rumoured to reside in a 996 owned by Ron Dennis, the others are somewhere in storage.

Does anyone know about these, or even whether it's true?
There is some truth in that, but some myth as well.
The engines of which you are speaking were the TAG-Porsche engines produced in the 1980s.
McLaren still have a bunch of unused units in their storage, but not as many as 40.
Ron did have one installed, not by the racing team but by an independent technician who by coincidence is a friend of mine, in the current 911 of the day. I think that would have been a 930.
My friend told me that he thinks no one has ever driven it except himself (for testing). He said that the power band is so narrow that it is virtually impossible to drive, especially on the road. His summary of the car was that it was "just awful".

thegreenhell

15,115 posts

218 months

Wednesday 27th July 2016
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Output Flange said:
This isn't directly related to the F1, but includes both McLaren and F1 separately, so...

There's a story doing the rounds that sometime in the late 90s McLaren commissioned Porsche to develop an F1 engine based on a twin-turbo Mezger pushing 1500hp, of which 40 were made. One is rumoured to reside in a 996 owned by Ron Dennis, the others are somewhere in storage.

Does anyone know about these, or even whether it's true?
They wouldn't have been tubocharging engines for F1 in the 90s.

The car being referred to will be the older 911 fitted with a 1.5 V6 TAG turbo F1 engine, which was designed by Porsche. The car does exist and is still owned by McLaren. See pictures of it in the link below:

http://www.drivecult.com/articles/685/a-visit-to-t...

Soov535

35,829 posts

270 months

Wednesday 27th July 2016
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thegreenhell said:
Output Flange said:
This isn't directly related to the F1, but includes both McLaren and F1 separately, so...

There's a story doing the rounds that sometime in the late 90s McLaren commissioned Porsche to develop an F1 engine based on a twin-turbo Mezger pushing 1500hp, of which 40 were made. One is rumoured to reside in a 996 owned by Ron Dennis, the others are somewhere in storage.

Does anyone know about these, or even whether it's true?
They wouldn't have been tubocharging engines for F1 in the 90s.

The car being referred to will be the older 911 fitted with a 1.5 V6 TAG turbo F1 engine, which was designed by Porsche. The car does exist and is still owned by McLaren. See pictures of it in the link below:

http://www.drivecult.com/articles/685/a-visit-to-t...
Jesus T1ttyf cking CHRIST!

yikes

Output Flange

16,793 posts

210 months

Wednesday 27th July 2016
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So Mezger-designed rather than Mezger-based. Make sense.

Well, as much as a 1000bhp 911 can!