Flemke - Is this your McLaren? (Vol 5)
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flemke said:
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Although much of that alleged spec sheet was copied and pasted from that for the original car, to compose other parts of it someone took a lot of time and trouble. I can't explain why; there seem to be a lot of odd people out there.
Similarly someone has gone to great lengths to plaster a 7:11 Nurburgring full lap time all over the internet:Although much of that alleged spec sheet was copied and pasted from that for the original car, to compose other parts of it someone took a lot of time and trouble. I can't explain why; there seem to be a lot of odd people out there.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_N%C3%BCrburg...
"7:11 McLaren F1 Promotional XP5 prototype Mika Häkkinen November 1996"
Are you aware of this lap time? I can't find a shred of reliable evidence to substantiate it.
flemke said:
anniesdad said:
Hi Flemke,
Apologies if this has been covered already but is my mind playing tricks on me or did you (or maybe it was a journalist driver?) drive your CGT to it's maximum (or at least near to) on the autobahn in a feature in evo magazine once upon a time? If so, how did the two experiences compare? Did it feel much safer in the CGT as opposed to the F1 due to the obvious difference in aero between the two?
As an aside if I may, what would you say is the safest road car that you have driven at speed say >150mph?
S
Yes, a writer from evo (it may have been Roger Green) and I did such a run. I think it was in 2004. IIRC I got to 205.9 and he did about 203. At those speeds, the CGT was more stable than the F1. In the CGT, you can feel the downforce start to have an effect at about 120.Apologies if this has been covered already but is my mind playing tricks on me or did you (or maybe it was a journalist driver?) drive your CGT to it's maximum (or at least near to) on the autobahn in a feature in evo magazine once upon a time? If so, how did the two experiences compare? Did it feel much safer in the CGT as opposed to the F1 due to the obvious difference in aero between the two?
As an aside if I may, what would you say is the safest road car that you have driven at speed say >150mph?
S
Although the CGT is more stable at speed in a straight line, when pushed the car can definitely bite you. Walter Rohrl has said as much.
The funny thing about that evo piece was that, as usual, the photographer wanted to do moving shots at slow speed, with the subject car following the camera car with the photographer hanging out the back. They wanted to do these shots on the Autobahn.
Try finding a bit of the Autobahn where, in the middle of the afternoon, you can safely drive a pair of cars at 20 mph!
"Safest" at 150? Probably the P1, in which 150mph is pretty much a non-event.
As for safely driving at 20mph on the autobahn...
I can only imagine what the authorities would have made of that...
I may well be able to guess the answer to this but did you try driving the P1 at speed in Race Mode? If so, is there much noticeable difference between being in/out of Race Mode? Also the 918, have you driven one and if so what did you think? I must say out of all of the hypercars it is the one I think I would have as it appears more driveable more of the time IMHO.
Olivera said:
Similarly someone has gone to great lengths to plaster a 7:11 Nurburgring full lap time all over the internet:
Yes, and the references are just a load of forum pages etc., so it does look suspicious.There are many fans of the F1 but fortunately not too many fanatics, although it only takes one to spread nonsense across the Internet, like that article about the update package.
Edited by douglas111 on Wednesday 26th October 16:00
Have you had a chance to form any opinions on the HS? Does the aero make much difference to the experience?
It is interesting that, due to the variation in specifications between LTs, your comparison between your LT and HS might be quite stark. The roof scoop and louvres of some LTs would make them a much closer proposition, what with the trick aero and change in cabin noises.
A mate's roof-scooped 675LT beside the MSO demo car (PP19); any excuse to post awesome McLarens!
On another note, as I can't remember if we have covered it: does the 911R interest you at all?
It is interesting that, due to the variation in specifications between LTs, your comparison between your LT and HS might be quite stark. The roof scoop and louvres of some LTs would make them a much closer proposition, what with the trick aero and change in cabin noises.
A mate's roof-scooped 675LT beside the MSO demo car (PP19); any excuse to post awesome McLarens!
On another note, as I can't remember if we have covered it: does the 911R interest you at all?
douglas111 said:
Question for all,
Are there any F1s that have never been caught on film or seen by the public since their purchase?
There's only 2 men that I know of that might know the answer to that question. Are there any F1s that have never been caught on film or seen by the public since their purchase?
Erik Reynolds - https://twitter.com/peloton25
Greg Hurst - https://twitter.com/hurstg01
Both PHers but send them a tweet!
anniesdad said:
There's only 2 men that I know of that might know the answer to that question.
Erik Reynolds - https://twitter.com/peloton25
Greg Hurst - https://twitter.com/hurstg01
Both PHers but send them a tweet!
Thanks anniesdad! Twitter is a bit advanced for me. I'll see if they respond on here.Erik Reynolds - https://twitter.com/peloton25
Greg Hurst - https://twitter.com/hurstg01
Both PHers but send them a tweet!
The issue of 'bloating' of cars has crept up on us.
My first Mk1 1600 Golf GTi was and 850kg feather weight. Todays GTi is about 1400kgs so there is no wonder it needs far more grunt.
With modern materials like carbon fibre and aluminium alloys we should be able to build lighter cars than those of the 1970's/80's. The trouble is we want quiet cars and soundproofing is quite heavy. We want electric everything, and all those motors are heavy. Aircon, heavy. Sound/nav system, yep, heavy.
An Ultima with quite heavy steel chassis and also a fairly heavy GF body, but can be built to weigh about a 1000kgs. Using some of the modern products could see that down to 850kgs, possibly. With 500 to 1000hp you can see what is possible in performance and handling if you keep weight down.
The probable march towards electric vehicles will make keeping weight to a minimum even more important if we are to see a useable ranges per charge.
Local councils think we will all swap to public transport, so are not living in the real world. But cars are likely to get smaller, lighter and probably have lower top speeds but with rapid acceleration.
But we buy cars to do different things that our lives demand. My everyday 3 tonne 4x4 has to perform tasks as diverse are collecting my fresh daily bread to towing hay trailers off road.
The F1 is one of those toys that we don't need, but want. It is the type of car that should be cutting edge and pushing boundaries. This it did very well.
Nobody needs a sports car - they just want one. But not everyone wants a bare bones hard core stripped out tooth rattler.
Maybe manufactures should start by building a tooth rattler, and then add the comfort options, rather than doing it the other way round as they do now.....
My first Mk1 1600 Golf GTi was and 850kg feather weight. Todays GTi is about 1400kgs so there is no wonder it needs far more grunt.
With modern materials like carbon fibre and aluminium alloys we should be able to build lighter cars than those of the 1970's/80's. The trouble is we want quiet cars and soundproofing is quite heavy. We want electric everything, and all those motors are heavy. Aircon, heavy. Sound/nav system, yep, heavy.
An Ultima with quite heavy steel chassis and also a fairly heavy GF body, but can be built to weigh about a 1000kgs. Using some of the modern products could see that down to 850kgs, possibly. With 500 to 1000hp you can see what is possible in performance and handling if you keep weight down.
The probable march towards electric vehicles will make keeping weight to a minimum even more important if we are to see a useable ranges per charge.
Local councils think we will all swap to public transport, so are not living in the real world. But cars are likely to get smaller, lighter and probably have lower top speeds but with rapid acceleration.
But we buy cars to do different things that our lives demand. My everyday 3 tonne 4x4 has to perform tasks as diverse are collecting my fresh daily bread to towing hay trailers off road.
The F1 is one of those toys that we don't need, but want. It is the type of car that should be cutting edge and pushing boundaries. This it did very well.
Nobody needs a sports car - they just want one. But not everyone wants a bare bones hard core stripped out tooth rattler.
Maybe manufactures should start by building a tooth rattler, and then add the comfort options, rather than doing it the other way round as they do now.....
Apologies to both for my mistake!
Flemke - what's your thoughts on the revival of TVR, I seem to remember you had one but was irritated by the build quality. With GM's input I'm hoping for something really quite special. It'll be interesting to see if they can match the aesthetics of the T cars.
Flemke - what's your thoughts on the revival of TVR, I seem to remember you had one but was irritated by the build quality. With GM's input I'm hoping for something really quite special. It'll be interesting to see if they can match the aesthetics of the T cars.
flemke said:
Apple has got to be at the centre of the current dynamic. Do the Ojjehs (not to be confused with the O'Jays!) and the Bahrainis want Apple to buy them out, but Ron is standing in the way? Does Apple want to buy only the whole thing, but Ron won't sell? Do Apple insist in rebranding? I could not say.
Interesting stuff, thanks for the reply. It would be a shame for Ron to get ousted from the business regardless of the reasons. 
anniesdad and F1GTRUENO et al - you're too kind; - we know stuff and pay attention when and where others may not - some of it's interesting to some people, some of it's guff to almost everyone else; we are both learning new things on the F1 every day, and forgetting things too....
As for 'unseen' F1's, off the top of my head a small number of the Brunei F1's come to mind (Chassis #004, pictures of one of his 2 Black LM's and an Orange LM as well as his black GT). There may be a picture or 2 that could be those in question, but we have been unable to get the verification needed for full confirmation and aren't for general viewing by request of the photographer(s).
As for 'unseen' F1's, off the top of my head a small number of the Brunei F1's come to mind (Chassis #004, pictures of one of his 2 Black LM's and an Orange LM as well as his black GT). There may be a picture or 2 that could be those in question, but we have been unable to get the verification needed for full confirmation and aren't for general viewing by request of the photographer(s).
One of his brother's has recently been sold to a UK buyer
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