Flemke - Is this your McLaren? (Vol 5)
Discussion
droopsnoot said:
Tenebrae said:
"Friends" is not the worst show of all time
No, but the spin-off "Joey" might well be. Tenebrae said:
flemke said:
That's fine, but might be helpful if you were at least to share with us to which you can't agree. 
Thanks, IMO the Mclaren is not the best car of all time, "Friends" is not the worst show of all time and therefore, with no disrespect to you, the juxtaposition is not that interesting.What I should have said is that, having watched a lot of TV since the time before colour sets were commercially available, "Friends" is the worst show that I have ever seen. It is completely devoid of wit, creativity, or insight. It's just lowest-commmon-denominator bilge water. I do accept however that there may be worse shows.
Getting to cars, which I think are more apposite to this forum, which cars do you rate more highly than the F1, and why? I'm not trying to bait you, but rather am curious as to your criteria and assessments.
epom said:
droopsnoot said:
Tenebrae said:
"Friends" is not the worst show of all time
No, but the spin-off "Joey" might well be. flemke said:
Interesting juxtaposition of the best car of all time and an actor from the worst TV show of all time.
Yes- new top gear is one of the worst TV shows of all time 
flemke said:
Finally, how could one abide this:
Love the little drive thru sized flap in the perspex windows 
I remember watching a bunch of these race around Silverstone as one of the F1 GP support races in I think '91?
I saw them in the paddock pre-race (and afterwards - from rusty memory there was a coming together of several at once!), and I remember them looking so futuristic and curvy at the time- particularly the group C-esque 'bubble'. Given it was based on the XJR-9 that isn't exactly surprising I guess.
Shame they were mentally expensive and perhaps a little too ambitious..
Edited by GCH on Tuesday 8th November 00:50
flemke said:
Getting to cars, which I think are more apposite to this forum, which cars do you rate more highly than the F1, and why? I'm not trying to bait you, but rather am curious as to your criteria and assessments.
Depends whether we're allowed qualifiers - for example, I rate the BMW E39 530d as the far, far better tow car.flemke said:
I have seen a couple, not been in one.
Occasionally the thought has crossed my mind, but never more than that. For one thing, I figured that, having an F1, what would be the point of having an XJR-15.
For another thing, I know people who were shafted by Tom Walkinshaw, and on principle I have wanted to stay away from anything that came from his operation.
Finally, how could one abide this:
Sure, one could always get another steering wheel, but the initial impression is so awful that PTSD is a likely result.
I had one winter in my garage a few years ago, for a friend. Ridiculous thing - a mighty sound and it was wonderful to look at, especially beside such a small thing as my Sagaris. Very uncomfortable for someone my size though. Occasionally the thought has crossed my mind, but never more than that. For one thing, I figured that, having an F1, what would be the point of having an XJR-15.
For another thing, I know people who were shafted by Tom Walkinshaw, and on principle I have wanted to stay away from anything that came from his operation.
Finally, how could one abide this:
Sure, one could always get another steering wheel, but the initial impression is so awful that PTSD is a likely result.
flemke said:
Okay, in fairness I must admit that I have not seen every TV show ever made, and therefore I am not qualified to say that a particular show is the single "all-time worst".
What I should have said is that, having watched a lot of TV since the time before colour sets were commercially available, "Friends" is the worst show that I have ever seen. It is completely devoid of wit, creativity, or insight. It's just lowest-commmon-denominator bilge water. I do accept however that there may be worse shows.
Getting to cars, which I think are more apposite to this forum, which cars do you rate more highly than the F1, and why? I'm not trying to bait you, but rather am curious as to your criteria and assessments.
Sure, "Friends" is not high art, but I don't think it's witless, the opposite in fact, its genuinely funny. Yeah, you don't need to be smart to enjoy its humour, but you would be stupid not to. What I should have said is that, having watched a lot of TV since the time before colour sets were commercially available, "Friends" is the worst show that I have ever seen. It is completely devoid of wit, creativity, or insight. It's just lowest-commmon-denominator bilge water. I do accept however that there may be worse shows.
Getting to cars, which I think are more apposite to this forum, which cars do you rate more highly than the F1, and why? I'm not trying to bait you, but rather am curious as to your criteria and assessments.
I just sometimes don't get your super-definitive statements, especially with regards to such inoffensive and rather uplifting things as acclaimed comedy tv shows. Seriously, count yourself as lucky if in your years of watching tv you never even glimpsed anything worse. Wherever you live, the tv must be first-rate!
What car is better than F1? Porsche 944, obviously. Better looks, better balance (high moment of inertia rules!), not crazy overpowered so someone with my lack of talent can drive it without crapping himself, cheaper, cheaper parts, fun to work on, similarly right size, similarly manual, similarly tangentially connected to motorsports legends, takes one less moaning passenger (rear seats are realistically for luggage only), better brakes (?).
How's that for a definitive statement? :-)
flemke said:
I have seen a couple, not been in one.
Occasionally the thought has crossed my mind, but never more than that. For one thing, I figured that, having an F1, what would be the point of having an XJR-15.
For another thing, I know people who were shafted by Tom Walkinshaw, and on principle I have wanted to stay away from anything that came from his operation.
Finally, how could one abide this:
Sure, one could always get another steering wheel, but the initial impression is so awful that PTSD is a likely result.
Looking at that picture both the XJR15 and F1 have the gear-lever on the right. Were any F1's were made with the stick on the left?Occasionally the thought has crossed my mind, but never more than that. For one thing, I figured that, having an F1, what would be the point of having an XJR-15.
For another thing, I know people who were shafted by Tom Walkinshaw, and on principle I have wanted to stay away from anything that came from his operation.
Finally, how could one abide this:
Sure, one could always get another steering wheel, but the initial impression is so awful that PTSD is a likely result.
motordave said:
flemke said:
I have seen a couple, not been in one.
Occasionally the thought has crossed my mind, but never more than that. For one thing, I figured that, having an F1, what would be the point of having an XJR-15.
For another thing, I know people who were shafted by Tom Walkinshaw, and on principle I have wanted to stay away from anything that came from his operation.
Finally, how could one abide this:
Sure, one could always get another steering wheel, but the initial impression is so awful that PTSD is a likely result.
Looking at that picture both the XJR15 and F1 have the gear-lever on the right. Were any F1's were made with the stick on the left?Occasionally the thought has crossed my mind, but never more than that. For one thing, I figured that, having an F1, what would be the point of having an XJR-15.
For another thing, I know people who were shafted by Tom Walkinshaw, and on principle I have wanted to stay away from anything that came from his operation.
Finally, how could one abide this:
Sure, one could always get another steering wheel, but the initial impression is so awful that PTSD is a likely result.
Tenebrae said:
flemke said:
Okay, in fairness I must admit that I have not seen every TV show ever made, and therefore I am not qualified to say that a particular show is the single "all-time worst".
What I should have said is that, having watched a lot of TV since the time before colour sets were commercially available, "Friends" is the worst show that I have ever seen. It is completely devoid of wit, creativity, or insight. It's just lowest-commmon-denominator bilge water. I do accept however that there may be worse shows.
Getting to cars, which I think are more apposite to this forum, which cars do you rate more highly than the F1, and why? I'm not trying to bait you, but rather am curious as to your criteria and assessments.
Sure, "Friends" is not high art, but I don't think it's witless, the opposite in fact, its genuinely funny. Yeah, you don't need to be smart to enjoy its humour, but you would be stupid not to. What I should have said is that, having watched a lot of TV since the time before colour sets were commercially available, "Friends" is the worst show that I have ever seen. It is completely devoid of wit, creativity, or insight. It's just lowest-commmon-denominator bilge water. I do accept however that there may be worse shows.
Getting to cars, which I think are more apposite to this forum, which cars do you rate more highly than the F1, and why? I'm not trying to bait you, but rather am curious as to your criteria and assessments.
I just sometimes don't get your super-definitive statements, especially with regards to such inoffensive and rather uplifting things as acclaimed comedy tv shows. Seriously, count yourself as lucky if in your years of watching tv you never even glimpsed anything worse. Wherever you live, the tv must be first-rate!
What car is better than F1? Porsche 944, obviously. Better looks, better balance (high moment of inertia rules!), not crazy overpowered so someone with my lack of talent can drive it without crapping himself, cheaper, cheaper parts, fun to work on, similarly right size, similarly manual, similarly tangentially connected to motorsports legends, takes one less moaning passenger (rear seats are realistically for luggage only), better brakes (?).
How's that for a definitive statement? :-)
Wrt "Friends", we obviously will never agree. The fact that it was "acclaimed" means little. I have found many TV shows quite witty and inventive, so it's not as if I were incapable of being amused, but that particular show seemed truly barren.
Thank you for your explanation of what makes a great car. I cannot dispute your logic, although my criteria and thus my conclusions differ.
flemke said:
motordave said:
flemke said:
I have seen a couple, not been in one.
Occasionally the thought has crossed my mind, but never more than that. For one thing, I figured that, having an F1, what would be the point of having an XJR-15.
For another thing, I know people who were shafted by Tom Walkinshaw, and on principle I have wanted to stay away from anything that came from his operation.
Finally, how could one abide this:
Sure, one could always get another steering wheel, but the initial impression is so awful that PTSD is a likely result.
Looking at that picture both the XJR15 and F1 have the gear-lever on the right. Were any F1's were made with the stick on the left?Occasionally the thought has crossed my mind, but never more than that. For one thing, I figured that, having an F1, what would be the point of having an XJR-15.
For another thing, I know people who were shafted by Tom Walkinshaw, and on principle I have wanted to stay away from anything that came from his operation.
Finally, how could one abide this:
Sure, one could always get another steering wheel, but the initial impression is so awful that PTSD is a likely result.
bass2rez said:
Is the gear lever on the XJR-15 by the door? What would be the reason for positioning it there?
Because throwing in (or pulling in, for that matter) a stick on your left with your right hand is more intuitive and precise than that throwing against you with your left. That's why so many race cars had this, even with the steering wheel on Le mans side.Veeayt said:
bass2rez said:
Is the gear lever on the XJR-15 by the door? What would be the reason for positioning it there?
Because throwing in (or pulling in, for that matter) a stick on your left with your right hand is more intuitive and precise than that throwing against you with your left. That's why so many race cars had this, even with the steering wheel on Le mans side.I'd like to add that for an H pattern gear lever, surely you would need to both pull and push a gear lever, depending on which gear you require, regardless of which side of you the gear lever is positioned?
Additionally, as a UK-based driver, I can assure you that operating a gear lever with my right hand would be anything other than intuitive!
Cheers,
Steve
bass2rez said:
Veeayt said:
bass2rez said:
Is the gear lever on the XJR-15 by the door? What would be the reason for positioning it there?
Because throwing in (or pulling in, for that matter) a stick on your left with your right hand is more intuitive and precise than that throwing against you with your left. That's why so many race cars had this, even with the steering wheel on Le mans side....
Additionally, as a UK-based driver, I can assure you that operating a gear lever with my right hand would be anything other than intuitive!
So with pretty much all racing drivers before the flappy paddle years having spent their entire careers using their right hand to change gear - in a car based on a racing car with the gear stick on the right : the XJR-15 has its stick exactly where you would expect to find it
bass2rez said:
Additionally, as a UK-based driver, I can assure you that operating a gear lever with my right hand would be anything other than intuitive!
i left the uk 5 yrs ago and LHD/ RH shift is much more intuitive. each time i come back to blighty i eed up getting in the passenger side of the hire car, grasping at the door pocket for the shifter and even driving the wrong way down the carriageway as i exit the airport!Gassing Station | General Gassing | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff