Flemke - Is this your McLaren? (Vol 5)
Discussion
flemke said:
My mistake - I should have said Nardi. Duuuh.
Thank you for your suggestion, but I have dealt with the issue.
First I had a larger version/replica of the original Nardi wheel made up (not by Nardi!). Then after further changes to the set-up, by which we took out a lot of caster, I decided that I needed a wheel that was a bit larger in diameter than the original, but not as big as the one that I had had made up.
As I reflected on the situation, I realised that about the best wheel that I had ever used was what came in the 993RS Clubsport, and that happened to be the diameter that I wanted as well.
I got a new one of those, reshaped the central Y-section to make it a better design, had it retrimmed, and that's what has been on the car for several years now.
To finish the job properly, I should find a carbon-fibre shop that can make a replica boss with an electroformed logo: "F1/V12".
Your description of how you replaced the steering wheel (and mention of taking out some caster), and that you changed the size of the road wheel/tyre size led me to thinking; is there a prescribed ‘magic’ ratio formula for road wheel/tyre size to steering wheel size? Thank you for your suggestion, but I have dealt with the issue.
First I had a larger version/replica of the original Nardi wheel made up (not by Nardi!). Then after further changes to the set-up, by which we took out a lot of caster, I decided that I needed a wheel that was a bit larger in diameter than the original, but not as big as the one that I had had made up.
As I reflected on the situation, I realised that about the best wheel that I had ever used was what came in the 993RS Clubsport, and that happened to be the diameter that I wanted as well.
I got a new one of those, reshaped the central Y-section to make it a better design, had it retrimmed, and that's what has been on the car for several years now.
To finish the job properly, I should find a carbon-fibre shop that can make a replica boss with an electroformed logo: "F1/V12".
Given you had the know percentage increase going from 18” to 19” wheel/tyre combo and corresponding tyre width was it just a case replicating that increase into the steering wheel diameter? Or was it a best guess/trial and error situation?
Also, was the original Nardi choice just a personal preference, or was it the case that Nardi made the original F1 wheel, and a desire to keep it ‘authentic’?
flemke said:
Not quite. 
At the back, the main (forward) cover (with glass inserts) is above the engine, whilst the secondary (rearward) cover (with black aluminium slats) is above the cats/silencer system.
The "E" lever on both sides releases the main, engine cover. The design is such that main cover must be lifted before the rearward cover can be lifted. In effect, the release for the rear cover is to lift the main cover.
Fair enough. Thanks for that. At the back, the main (forward) cover (with glass inserts) is above the engine, whilst the secondary (rearward) cover (with black aluminium slats) is above the cats/silencer system.
The "E" lever on both sides releases the main, engine cover. The design is such that main cover must be lifted before the rearward cover can be lifted. In effect, the release for the rear cover is to lift the main cover.
Police State said:
flemke said:
My mistake - I should have said Nardi. Duuuh.
Thank you for your suggestion, but I have dealt with the issue.
First I had a larger version/replica of the original Nardi wheel made up (not by Nardi!). Then after further changes to the set-up, by which we took out a lot of caster, I decided that I needed a wheel that was a bit larger in diameter than the original, but not as big as the one that I had had made up.
As I reflected on the situation, I realised that about the best wheel that I had ever used was what came in the 993RS Clubsport, and that happened to be the diameter that I wanted as well.
I got a new one of those, reshaped the central Y-section to make it a better design, had it retrimmed, and that's what has been on the car for several years now.
To finish the job properly, I should find a carbon-fibre shop that can make a replica boss with an electroformed logo: "F1/V12".
Your description of how you replaced the steering wheel (and mention of taking out some caster), and that you changed the size of the road wheel/tyre size led me to thinking; is there a prescribed ‘magic’ ratio formula for road wheel/tyre size to steering wheel size? Thank you for your suggestion, but I have dealt with the issue.
First I had a larger version/replica of the original Nardi wheel made up (not by Nardi!). Then after further changes to the set-up, by which we took out a lot of caster, I decided that I needed a wheel that was a bit larger in diameter than the original, but not as big as the one that I had had made up.
As I reflected on the situation, I realised that about the best wheel that I had ever used was what came in the 993RS Clubsport, and that happened to be the diameter that I wanted as well.
I got a new one of those, reshaped the central Y-section to make it a better design, had it retrimmed, and that's what has been on the car for several years now.
To finish the job properly, I should find a carbon-fibre shop that can make a replica boss with an electroformed logo: "F1/V12".
Given you had the know percentage increase going from 18” to 19” wheel/tyre combo and corresponding tyre width was it just a case replicating that increase into the steering wheel diameter? Or was it a best guess/trial and error situation?
Also, was the original Nardi choice just a personal preference, or was it the case that Nardi made the original F1 wheel, and a desire to keep it ‘authentic’?
- tyre width,
- wheel offset,
- caster,
- camber,
- steering rack ratio,
- front corner weight,
- steering wheel diameter and
- wheelbase.
There might be a formula, but it would have to be a complicated one. The main dynamic in the interplay between caster and steering effort is that, when you turn the steering wheel with any front caster, you are actually, physically lifting the outside front corner of the car. When you envisage that, you can see how many of the things I listed could have an effect on steering weight.
Re Nardi, at first I wanted to replicate the original both because of authenticity and because the original wheel is quite a nice wheel. If you grasp it in the 9-3 position, it falls into your palms.
Saying that, it is a touch bulky when held in other positions, which in road driving one is going to do. Overall, I think the 993 RS wheel is preferable for road driving. With the piece already existing in the correct diameter, it made sense to use it rather than replicating the original.
As I said, I still need to have a new carbon-fibre boss made for the 993 wheel, after which it should be pretty much perfect.
hkz286 said:
flemke said:
PAUL500 said:
Interesting, I wonder what became of them as my understanding is that BMW have no more F1 engines and someone bought up the stockpile of spares a while back.
Correct
Soov330e said:
hkz286 said:
flemke said:
PAUL500 said:
Interesting, I wonder what became of them as my understanding is that BMW have no more F1 engines and someone bought up the stockpile of spares a while back.
CorrectIt was a car dealer who over the years dealt in a few F1s, once owned one, and in this case (I suspect) thought that he could corner the market in engine replacement parts.
The absolute number of parts he bought was not, I was informed, all that big, simply because BMW did not have much of an inventory.
There is no part that could not be made from scratch today, and perhaps even better than the original. It could be inconvenient to require engine replacement parts, but it would not be catastrophic.
I saw my first P1 close up the other day, a McLaren test car and in my (admittedly amateurish) view it was a bit of a let down in comparison to the F1 I had seen previously. The driver said that an F1 had been sold by McLaren recently for £22 million, does anyone know if this is true?
greygoose said:
I saw my first P1 close up the other day, a McLaren test car and in my (admittedly amateurish) view it was a bit of a let down in comparison to the F1 I had seen previously. The driver said that an F1 had been sold by McLaren recently for £22 million, does anyone know if this is true?
As of a couple of weeks ago there were a couple of cars up for sale that might have fit that description; I am not aware that either has sold yet.-Michael- said:
Two cars Tom Hartley have recently dealt (according to his twitter) with....
The car on the right I believe was bought about two years ago and made road-legal by someone who, IIRC, also had a P1 GTR done up in the same livery. I would be surprised if he had sold it recently, but who knows?flemke said:
No, nothing to do with Lanzante.
It was a car dealer who over the years dealt in a few F1s, once owned one, and in this case (I suspect) thought that he could corner the market in engine replacement parts.
The absolute number of parts he bought was not, I was informed, all that big, simply because BMW did not have much of an inventory.
There is no part that could not be made from scratch today, and perhaps even better than the original. It could be inconvenient to require engine replacement parts, but it would not be catastrophic.
We're quite lucky, especially in this country, that there are a number of firms who could reproduce or reverse-engineer pretty much any part on any car. There is a whole industry devoted to doing just this to keep whole grids of historic racing cars running.It was a car dealer who over the years dealt in a few F1s, once owned one, and in this case (I suspect) thought that he could corner the market in engine replacement parts.
The absolute number of parts he bought was not, I was informed, all that big, simply because BMW did not have much of an inventory.
There is no part that could not be made from scratch today, and perhaps even better than the original. It could be inconvenient to require engine replacement parts, but it would not be catastrophic.
thegreenhell said:
The raised ride height really doesn't suit the road-legal GTR long tail.
Doesn't look as good does it.The yellow car has a much bigger wing too. Is that not road legal?
I much prefer the longtail with livery. The is a plain white one that just looks a bit wrong in places.
The car on the right would be GTR 19R and was acquired by the now previous owner in very late 2010 through a deal that took a very unfortunate turn due to a title dispute, the story of which is relayed on this litigators website and then in far greater detail in the attached Word document outlining the final judgement at the bottom of the page:
http://www.wilmotslitigation.co.uk/blog/2013/12/23...
It took several years for those legal issues to be settled and once they were the restoration from the LARK livery the car had previously worn while in the USA to its original Presentation Livery we see here was completed.
The car on the left is 27R, and has some of ts own stories to tell as well.
Thankfully all of that is behind them both and hopefully they will be off to new collectors who will find ways to put them to good use.
>8^)
ER
http://www.wilmotslitigation.co.uk/blog/2013/12/23...
It took several years for those legal issues to be settled and once they were the restoration from the LARK livery the car had previously worn while in the USA to its original Presentation Livery we see here was completed.
The car on the left is 27R, and has some of ts own stories to tell as well.
Thankfully all of that is behind them both and hopefully they will be off to new collectors who will find ways to put them to good use.
>8^)
ER
Extensive galleries for the two GTRs where Tom was involved with the transactions.
19R:
http://www.tomhartleyjnr.com/used/1996/classic/mcl...
27R:
http://www.tomhartleyjnr.com/used/1997/classic/mcl...
>8^)
ER
19R:
http://www.tomhartleyjnr.com/used/1996/classic/mcl...
27R:
http://www.tomhartleyjnr.com/used/1997/classic/mcl...
>8^)
ER
Peloton25 said:
Extensive galleries for the two GTRs where Tom was involved with the transactions.
19R:
http://www.tomhartleyjnr.com/used/1996/classic/mcl...
27R:
http://www.tomhartleyjnr.com/used/1997/classic/mcl...
>8^)
ER
Made all the better thanks to them not being taken IN A BLOODY PUDDLE.19R:
http://www.tomhartleyjnr.com/used/1996/classic/mcl...
27R:
http://www.tomhartleyjnr.com/used/1997/classic/mcl...
>8^)
ER
flemke said:
No, nothing to do with Lanzante.
It was a car dealer who over the years dealt in a few F1s, once owned one, and in this case (I suspect) thought that he could corner the market in engine replacement parts.
The absolute number of parts he bought was not, I was informed, all that big, simply because BMW did not have much of an inventory.
There is no part that could not be made from scratch today, and perhaps even better than the original. It could be inconvenient to require engine replacement parts, but it would not be catastrophic.
thanks for the reply It was a car dealer who over the years dealt in a few F1s, once owned one, and in this case (I suspect) thought that he could corner the market in engine replacement parts.
The absolute number of parts he bought was not, I was informed, all that big, simply because BMW did not have much of an inventory.
There is no part that could not be made from scratch today, and perhaps even better than the original. It could be inconvenient to require engine replacement parts, but it would not be catastrophic.
just a quick question, is there any way I can send you an message or email on here? would like to bring something to your attention without alerting the entire world if possible?
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