Flemke - Is this your McLaren? (Vol 5)

[Veeayt]

flemke said:

there is nothing similar or closely related to the F1.

Thank you. Couldn't find the words myself. That'd summarise the thread for me.

[scarliege]Although I don't think it makes good noise[/scarliege]. Pagani Mercedes and Bizzarini V12 both sound much more 'polyphonic', if you'd forgive me for this kind of parabola. I'm not trying to be offensive, it's just the Mc V12 sound too nasal and flat to these ears.

PS I'm mentioning the engine note only because the aural experience is what still gets me over the years. Nothing else. So now I'm building a car around the most sonorous engine of them all (Merc M120).

[pipe'n'slippers]

Was the engine used in any other car? I assume it is related in some way to the BMW V12 used in the 7 and 8 series.

[Veeayt]

...But I've never driven a F1. Things show up like there's a big difference in aural experinence from outside the car rather from the inside.

[Joe911]

pipe'n'slippers said:

Was the engine used in any other car? I assume it is related in some way to the BMW V12 used in the 7 and 8 series.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BMW_M70

[thegreenhell]

flemke said:

ajjers said:

In other news Sport Auto have apparently tested the P1 and the 918 at Hockenheim and will be publishing the results tomorrow.

My understanding of the situation is somewhat different from that, and I would be glad to see myself proved wrong. Please keep us posted.

No laptimes published yet, but here's a video they released this morning:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WkgFWZEU00k

[flemke]

Veeayt said:

...But I've never driven a F1. Things show up like there's a big difference in aural experinence from outside the car rather from the inside.

Main thing is the induction noise, with the intake being just above the driver's head.

[flemke]

TurboTerrific9 said:

flemke said:

TurboTerrific9 said:

flemke said:

pork911 said:

Flemke is your's dirty?
http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&a...

Slightly, and now I think of it the engine will be taken out in January for a fuel tank replacement. Not sure if it's worth doing the engine detailing, which strikes me as a bit like putting that tyre dressing on your sidewalls, which looks great until you've driven the car, say, 2 miles.

Each to their own...

I say that after having had the same once done to mine, so I know where you're coming from.

As I wrote directly above, the frustrating thing is that, unlike with paint, it is not possible to make a used engine look like new. In fact, for years McLaren had, and may still have, an unused engine (not sure whether it had its internals, but from the outside it was complete) on display on an engine stand, and even it didn't look pristine.

The intention was not to make the engine look like new, but to make it look as good as possible in the limited time that it was out of the car.
I totally get that it will only stay that way for a certain period of time - and, believe me, I totally intend to use the car - but the car is 'new' to me and I want it to be as special as it can be without going totally OTT.

Whilst detailing an engine/bay could be described as somewhat irrational, the same could be equally said of the whole purchase/ownership experience.

You mean wasting investing the sort of money we do, and frittering away one's time over judiciously contemplating what unnecessary essential change to make next to one's impractical and self-indulgent utilitarian and self-effacing motorcar is in some way irrational?


Agreed, cleaning the outside of one's engine tends to be an exercise in futility, but the darn thing is that, when it's new, an engine is such a beautiful thing, which one forever after hopes to recapture.

[Joe911]

Evo are releasing their P1 v. 918 track battle video (at Anglesey) today at 16:45.

[Crockefeller]

Flemke, serious question.....

Do you think it would be easier for me to import an NSX-R from Japan or tempt you into selling yours?

[danp]

Possibly posted on here before, but Gordon Murray on the new hypercars, F1, new projects etc

https://grrc.goodwood.com/road/news/qa-hankering-o...

[hondafanatic]

Crockefeller said:

Flemke, serious question.....

Do you think it would be easier for me to import an NSX-R from Japan or tempt you into selling yours?

Wait what?!? Flemke has an NSX-R as well???

[chris333]

hondafanatic said:

Crockefeller said:

Flemke, serious question.....

Do you think it would be easier for me to import an NSX-R from Japan or tempt you into selling yours?

Wait what?!? Flemke has an NSX-R as well???

Yes, I've heard he keeps it in the same stable block as his unicorns.

[El Guapo]

danp said:

Possibly posted on here before, but Gordon Murray on the new hypercars, F1, new projects etc

https://grrc.goodwood.com/road/news/qa-hankering-o...

The man talks a great deal of sense

[thegreenhell]

danp said:

Possibly posted on here before, but Gordon Murray on the new hypercars, F1, new projects etc

https://grrc.goodwood.com/road/news/qa-hankering-o...

Gordon Murray said:

I have a hankering to do one more supercar, and I wouldn’t have unless these one-and-a-half-tonne hybrid monsters hadn’t come out. I would have left it with the F1. But now there’s a point to be proven: that you can still do a great driver’s car with an internal combustion engine and pure engineering.

Interesting stuff. I'd love to see his modern take on a purer supercar.

[anonymous-user]

El Guapo said:

danp said:

Possibly posted on here before, but Gordon Murray on the new hypercars, F1, new projects etc

https://grrc.goodwood.com/road/news/qa-hankering-o...

The man talks a great deal of sense

Whilst he does talk a lot of sense, i do sometimes feel he sounds a bit too much like he has a massive chip on his shoulder about modern cars being "too heavy".

he says he could build a modern "F1" that would beat the current cars, but he couldn't. To be "modern" you need to meet things like EU6 emissions, low Co2, have a host of airbags, have stability control, meet driveby noise regs, source your components within the ROHS legislation, consider and characterise there recyclability and a million other things.

No one is going to argue that he couldn't build a high performance drivers car, but that really would just be another "F1" wouldn't it? It wouldn't move the game on one little bit, it would just be a "worse" F1?

(consider for example, what you'd have to do to an F1 (pretty much a body, and engine and a seat) to homologate it for 2015. Each and every thing would reduce power, increase emissions and add weight)

[trackdemon]

Well (as if we didn't already know), it would seem the P1 certainly delivers the goods on track, according to our friends on EVO.... And the 918 is rather impressive too. Amusing how they made a point of outlining the difference in approach to the Speciale time: a handful of laps, no engineers, no spare tyres, and not much time to learn how best to extract the time from them.

http://www.evo.co.uk/mclaren/p1/14687/mclaren-p1-v...

[E65Ross]

trackdemon said:

Well (as if we didn't already know), it would seem the P1 certainly delivers the goods on track, according to our friends on EVO.... And the 918 is rather impressive too. Amusing how they made a point of outlining the difference in approach to the Speciale time: a handful of laps, no engineers, no spare tyres, and not much time to learn how best to extract the time from them.

http://www.evo.co.uk/mclaren/p1/14687/mclaren-p1-v...

Can't watch it now as I'm out, but can someone tell me the 2 lap times?

[pLiDeX]

McLaren P1 Trofeo tyres 1:11.2
Porsche 918 1:12.4
McLaren P1 1:12.6


Flemke thanks for sharing your experiences with these cars.

[Sway]

Porsche 918 Weissach 1.12.4
Mclaren P1 1.12.6

However, mention of stickier standard tyres on Porsche, and more playful, engaging behaviour on Mclaren. Rated Mclaren higher on track, Porsche on road...

Then, after speaking with Mclaren, took another one out a week later, fitted with the (optional IIRC?) Trofeo tyres...


Mclaren P1 (Trofeo tyres) 1.11.2!



EDIT - shouldn't have bothered faffing around with spoiler tags...

[ajjers]

trackdemon said:

Well (as if we didn't already know), it would seem the P1 certainly delivers the goods on track, according to our friends on EVO.... And the 918 is rather impressive too. Amusing how they made a point of outlining the difference in approach to the Speciale time: a handful of laps, no engineers, no spare tyres, and not much time to learn how best to extract the time from them.

http://www.evo.co.uk/mclaren/p1/14687/mclaren-p1-v...

The impression I got from the video was that the 918 was the more sorted of the two cars, better engine, better sound and less understeer.

Cheeky of McLaren to demand another go with the Trofeo tyres. Anecdotally, I've heard that the Trofeo's are 1.5 - 2 seconds a lap faster than Cup 2s on a one minute track in a 430 scud. As Flemke says, the only fair comparison would be if both the 918 and the P1 were on the same tyre but I can't see that happening ever. The 918 will getting a track option tyre next year (the same tyre that will be on the gt3rs).