Flemke - Is this your McLaren? (Vol 5)
Discussion
Storer said:
Could you please expand on that last comment Flemke.
Paul
Car too wide (feels smaller than it actually is, which can get you into trouble!); steering returnability/weighting a disappointment; working with the electronic control panel is awkward; I can't stand all the battery/electric motor nonsense.Paul
Ronin59 said:
flemke said:
In my opinion, and my knowledge is of course limited, the only places capable at least in theory of servicing all areas of a road-going F1 properly are MSO/Woking and Schaeffer BMW in Idstein, Germany, which has a fabulous technician who specialises in servicing F1s and has done so numerous times over the last 2 decades.
I would think that a certain Petersfield based operation would do a pretty god job at servicing road going F1's no?Rich_W said:
flemke said:
isaldiri said:
Assuming it is not a constaint about some details might not be public info yet, could I ask what you thought of the car of the event per 2 days ago?
Not far from being what I had hoped the P1 would be.
They're doing a uprated version of P1 aren't they. So lets start the rumours.
No electric gubbins, lightweight?
No electric gubbins and light weight are why I like what has been made public about the 675LT.
flemke said:
Storer said:
Could you please expand on that last comment Flemke.
Paul
Car too wide (feels smaller than it actually is, which can get you into trouble!); steering returnability/weighting a disappointment; working with the electronic control panel is awkward; I can't stand all the battery/electric motor nonsense.Paul
At least with the F1 you've been able to make various modifications to the areas you weren't happy with, but I guess that's going to be a wee bit harder to do on a P1.
flemke said:
Storer said:
Could you please expand on that last comment Flemke.
Paul
Car too wide (feels smaller than it actually is, which can get you into trouble!); steering returnability/weighting a disappointment; working with the electronic control panel is awkward; I can't stand all the battery/electric motor nonsense.Paul
It sounds as though the driver involvement is a little too removed for your taste due to the 'computerisation' that is necessary to get this complex car to function. The F1 was an analogue car rather than a digital P1.
The P1 looks to be a triumph of engineering and stunning on track but not as 'practical' (if a 900hp car can be called "practical") road car. The advantage the F1 had was that it was quite small and able to fit on UK roads. And with the F1, you climb in turn the key and go with all levels of performance controlled by your right foot.
Paul
flemke said:
Car too wide (feels smaller than it actually is, which can get you into trouble!); steering returnability/weighting a disappointment; working with the electronic control panel is awkward; I can't stand all the battery/electric motor nonsense.
On the width issue I looked it up against the width of the SLS Black which is a wide version of a car sometimes criticised in the motoring press for being too wide - quite surprising how much wider the P1 is than that!andyps said:
flemke said:
Car too wide (feels smaller than it actually is, which can get you into trouble!); steering returnability/weighting a disappointment; working with the electronic control panel is awkward; I can't stand all the battery/electric motor nonsense.
On the width issue I looked it up against the width of the SLS Black which is a wide version of a car sometimes criticised in the motoring press for being too wide - quite surprising how much wider the P1 is than that!
Pablo16v said:
flemke said:
Storer said:
Could you please expand on that last comment Flemke.
Paul
Car too wide (feels smaller than it actually is, which can get you into trouble!); steering returnability/weighting a disappointment; working with the electronic control panel is awkward; I can't stand all the battery/electric motor nonsense.Paul
At least with the F1 you've been able to make various modifications to the areas you weren't happy with, but I guess that's going to be a wee bit harder to do on a P1.
Then I'd have to get out my chainsaw and trim about 3" off each side of the car.
Even for a man of my foolish ambitions, that would be a task too far.
Storer said:
flemke said:
Storer said:
Could you please expand on that last comment Flemke.
Paul
Car too wide (feels smaller than it actually is, which can get you into trouble!); steering returnability/weighting a disappointment; working with the electronic control panel is awkward; I can't stand all the battery/electric motor nonsense.Paul
It sounds as though the driver involvement is a little too removed for your taste due to the 'computerisation' that is necessary to get this complex car to function. The F1 was an analogue car rather than a digital P1.
The P1 looks to be a triumph of engineering and stunning on track but not as 'practical' (if a 900hp car can be called "practical") road car. The advantage the F1 had was that it was quite small and able to fit on UK roads. And with the F1, you climb in turn the key and go with all levels of performance controlled by your right foot.
Paul
andyps said:
flemke said:
Car too wide (feels smaller than it actually is, which can get you into trouble!); steering returnability/weighting a disappointment; working with the electronic control panel is awkward; I can't stand all the battery/electric motor nonsense.
On the width issue I looked it up against the width of the SLS Black which is a wide version of a car sometimes criticised in the motoring press for being too wide - quite surprising how much wider the P1 is than that!In a mid-engined car, however, your rear-quarter vision is always poor, so that's an inherent shortcoming relative to the SLS.
A greater issue, I think, is that, from the inside, the P1 does not feel that wide. A lot of the "extra" width is to the outside of the passengers' shoulders, in the doors themselves. This is to an extent that is not typical of road cars and it can throw you off (literally as well as figuratively).
Although the SLS is too wide for my liking, by the standards of modern "supercars" it is not particularly wide. Its issue is that the nose is sooooo long, and from the cockpit one cannot see the front 3 feet of it. If you're at say a blind junction, you can have trouble getting the car forward enough to have a view, whilst keeping the nose of the car safely short of the path of the vehicles coming across your bow.
flemke said:
The difference is 7mm, so not all that much.
In a mid-engined car, however, your rear-quarter vision is always poor, so that's an inherent shortcoming relative to the SLS.
A greater issue, I think, is that, from the inside, the P1 does not feel that wide. A lot of the "extra" width is to the outside of the passengers' shoulders, in the doors themselves. This is to an extent that is not typical of road cars and it can throw you off (literally as well as figuratively).
Although the SLS is too wide for my liking, by the standards of modern "supercars" it is not particularly wide. Its issue is that the nose is sooooo long, and from the cockpit one cannot see the front 3 feet of it. If you're at say a blind junction, you can have trouble getting the car forward enough to have a view, whilst keeping the nose of the car safely short of the path of the vehicles coming across your bow.
Some cars have cameras in their front wings to allow the driver to see what is coming at junctions, is this an option for the SLS?In a mid-engined car, however, your rear-quarter vision is always poor, so that's an inherent shortcoming relative to the SLS.
A greater issue, I think, is that, from the inside, the P1 does not feel that wide. A lot of the "extra" width is to the outside of the passengers' shoulders, in the doors themselves. This is to an extent that is not typical of road cars and it can throw you off (literally as well as figuratively).
Although the SLS is too wide for my liking, by the standards of modern "supercars" it is not particularly wide. Its issue is that the nose is sooooo long, and from the cockpit one cannot see the front 3 feet of it. If you're at say a blind junction, you can have trouble getting the car forward enough to have a view, whilst keeping the nose of the car safely short of the path of the vehicles coming across your bow.
greygoose said:
flemke said:
The difference is 7mm, so not all that much.
In a mid-engined car, however, your rear-quarter vision is always poor, so that's an inherent shortcoming relative to the SLS.
A greater issue, I think, is that, from the inside, the P1 does not feel that wide. A lot of the "extra" width is to the outside of the passengers' shoulders, in the doors themselves. This is to an extent that is not typical of road cars and it can throw you off (literally as well as figuratively).
Although the SLS is too wide for my liking, by the standards of modern "supercars" it is not particularly wide. Its issue is that the nose is sooooo long, and from the cockpit one cannot see the front 3 feet of it. If you're at say a blind junction, you can have trouble getting the car forward enough to have a view, whilst keeping the nose of the car safely short of the path of the vehicles coming across your bow.
Some cars have cameras in their front wings to allow the driver to see what is coming at junctions, is this an option for the SLS?In a mid-engined car, however, your rear-quarter vision is always poor, so that's an inherent shortcoming relative to the SLS.
A greater issue, I think, is that, from the inside, the P1 does not feel that wide. A lot of the "extra" width is to the outside of the passengers' shoulders, in the doors themselves. This is to an extent that is not typical of road cars and it can throw you off (literally as well as figuratively).
Although the SLS is too wide for my liking, by the standards of modern "supercars" it is not particularly wide. Its issue is that the nose is sooooo long, and from the cockpit one cannot see the front 3 feet of it. If you're at say a blind junction, you can have trouble getting the car forward enough to have a view, whilst keeping the nose of the car safely short of the path of the vehicles coming across your bow.
I suppose that, without making holes or otherwise damaging the original car, one could affix a little optical sensor to either side of the protruding badge in the middle of the grille. However, I don't drive the car that often, and life is too short, so I don't think I'll bother.
Edited by flemke on Saturday 21st February 11:31
flemke said:
andyps said:
flemke said:
Car too wide (feels smaller than it actually is, which can get you into trouble!); steering returnability/weighting a disappointment; working with the electronic control panel is awkward; I can't stand all the battery/electric motor nonsense.
On the width issue I looked it up against the width of the SLS Black which is a wide version of a car sometimes criticised in the motoring press for being too wide - quite surprising how much wider the P1 is than that!In a mid-engined car, however, your rear-quarter vision is always poor, so that's an inherent shortcoming relative to the SLS.
A greater issue, I think, is that, from the inside, the P1 does not feel that wide. A lot of the "extra" width is to the outside of the passengers' shoulders, in the doors themselves. This is to an extent that is not typical of road cars and it can throw you off (literally as well as figuratively).
Although the SLS is too wide for my liking, by the standards of modern "supercars" it is not particularly wide. Its issue is that the nose is sooooo long, and from the cockpit one cannot see the front 3 feet of it. If you're at say a blind junction, you can have trouble getting the car forward enough to have a view, whilst keeping the nose of the car safely short of the path of the vehicles coming across your bow.
Thanks for the explanation about the feel and it does seem odd to not include sensors in a car such as the SLS when so many cars which look like any 1/4 decent driver should be able to park to easily have them fitted.
andyps said:
flemke said:
andyps said:
flemke said:
Car too wide (feels smaller than it actually is, which can get you into trouble!); steering returnability/weighting a disappointment; working with the electronic control panel is awkward; I can't stand all the battery/electric motor nonsense.
On the width issue I looked it up against the width of the SLS Black which is a wide version of a car sometimes criticised in the motoring press for being too wide - quite surprising how much wider the P1 is than that!In a mid-engined car, however, your rear-quarter vision is always poor, so that's an inherent shortcoming relative to the SLS.
A greater issue, I think, is that, from the inside, the P1 does not feel that wide. A lot of the "extra" width is to the outside of the passengers' shoulders, in the doors themselves. This is to an extent that is not typical of road cars and it can throw you off (literally as well as figuratively).
Although the SLS is too wide for my liking, by the standards of modern "supercars" it is not particularly wide. Its issue is that the nose is sooooo long, and from the cockpit one cannot see the front 3 feet of it. If you're at say a blind junction, you can have trouble getting the car forward enough to have a view, whilst keeping the nose of the car safely short of the path of the vehicles coming across your bow.
Thanks for the explanation about the feel and it does seem odd to not include sensors in a car such as the SLS when so many cars which look like any 1/4 decent driver should be able to park to easily have them fitted.
For bodywork, SLS is 1939, P1 is 1946.
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