Flemke - Is this your McLaren? (Vol 5)

[andyps]

flemke said:

Sometimes the listed "Width" includes the door mirrors, but IMO is it clearer when it applies to only the bodywork.
For bodywork, SLS is 1939, P1 is 1946.

Looks like I saw the with mirror width for the P1 and without for SLS based on those figures.

[flemke]

andyps said:

flemke said:

Sometimes the listed "Width" includes the door mirrors, but IMO is it clearer when it applies to only the bodywork.
For bodywork, SLS is 1939, P1 is 1946.

Looks like I saw the with mirror width for the P1 and without for SLS based on those figures.

Seems likely. Width w (open) mirrors prob 150mm bigger.

[speedster986]

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What would Flemke do with an entire Dacia dealership?

[AlmostUseful]

If the advert is to be believed, WBAC will take "any car, from £50 to a hundred grand"

So I'd say Flemke would stand to make a bit of a loss on either of the cars. Perhaps trading them in for a Dacia dealership would be the more prudent move.

I'm sure there would be no complaints about width of those cars, and to the best of my knowledge they don't do a hybrid vehicles so maybe he'd actually prefer sandero to the P1.

[zx4000]

Hello Mr. Flemke,

Here is a Korean fan for your passion, most of all for Mclaren f1 as i have also put most of times in F1 since 2003.
i see what you have done to f1 in 2010 as below and you still keep going on upgrading to make it further perfect.

larger diameter steering wheel, for more precision and reducing steering weight
- some interior pieces which on original were moulded plastic now CF
- driver's 4-point harness has Willans quick-adjusters (which I would recommend to anyone - really good)
- have reduced area of carpeting
- used gear linkage element from F1 racing car for more precision
- taken compliance out of certain suspension elements
- using different tyres
- wheels made from scratch to accommodate tyres
- different brake calipers and rotors
- uprights made from scratch
- new suspension control arms
- bespoke dampers, 3-way adjust.
- different springs
- various things that factory have done also to other F1s, such as exhaust, radiators, a/c.

as you see the photo below, to my knowledge, "the progressive rate springing was omitted in F1", which is reasons to achieve a stepless increase in wheel rate by using rocker top link (complex pushrod linkages) and also too much progression can suddenly increase weight transfer when a wheel hits a mid-corner bump, making handling unpredictable. What small amount of wheel rate progression there is in the F1 is an inherent feature of the suspension linkages themselves, supplemented by carefully optimised rubber bushes(4pcs)



but as a result, the feel of ride comfort was not likely there as much as expected so you have done some jobs as described above. the experience you had with F1 address not to be enough for rubber bushes to alternate springs ? of course this not comes from one single factor but things complicated around suspension : upright so on. ( my hero Gordon got an inspiration to use a rocker top link of geometry from compliance pivot of NSX)

Am i right or totally stupid unlike my thought ? and the scatch of Gordon below is the one before finalised F1? because there is springs in damper.

[flemke]

zx4000 said:

Hello Mr. Flemke,

Here is a Korean fan for your passion, most of all for Mclaren f1 as i have also put most of times in F1 since 2003.
i see what you have done to f1 in 2010 as below and you still keep going on upgrading to make it further perfect.

larger diameter steering wheel, for more precision and reducing steering weight
- some interior pieces which on original were moulded plastic now CF
- driver's 4-point harness has Willans quick-adjusters (which I would recommend to anyone - really good)
- have reduced area of carpeting
- used gear linkage element from F1 racing car for more precision
- taken compliance out of certain suspension elements
- using different tyres
- wheels made from scratch to accommodate tyres
- different brake calipers and rotors
- uprights made from scratch
- new suspension control arms
- bespoke dampers, 3-way adjust.
- different springs
- various things that factory have done also to other F1s, such as exhaust, radiators, a/c.

as you see the photo below, to my knowledge, "the progressive rate springing was omitted in F1", which is reasons to achieve a stepless increase in wheel rate by using rocker top link (complex pushrod linkages) and also too much progression can suddenly increase weight transfer when a wheel hits a mid-corner bump, making handling unpredictable. What small amount of wheel rate progression there is in the F1 is an inherent feature of the suspension linkages themselves, supplemented by carefully optimised rubber bushes(4pcs)



but as a result, the feel of ride comfort was not likely there as much as expected so you have done some jobs as described above. the experience you had with F1 address not to be enough for rubber bushes to alternate springs ? of course this not comes from one single factor but things complicated around suspension : upright so on. ( my hero Gordon got an inspiration to use a rocker top link of geometry from compliance pivot of NSX)

Am i right or totally stupid unlike my thought ? and the scatch of Gordon below is the one before finalised F1? because there is springs in damper.

Hello sir. Thank you for your detailed post.

I am not completely sure of what is your question.
The F1 was produced with normal "coil" springs made by Eibach. The dampers go inside the coil springs, in a "coil-over" design.
The sketch you show is correct: at the front, the springs and dampers are horizontal and towards the middle, positioned over the driver's legs.
At the rear, the location is more normal, with the springs and dampers at a vertical angle coming off the uprights.

This gives an idea of the arrangement:


Also bear in mind that the F1 as standard had tyres with tall sidewalls (45 section). As is the case with Formula One cars, on the F1 the tall sidewalls contribute a lot to the overall compliance of the suspension system.

Thank you again for your post.

[Storer]

I am curious Flemke.

Have you driven the Porsche 919 or the La Farrari.

If so, please tell the result of your 'test'.


Paul

[iva cosworth]

Storer said:

I am curious Flemke.

Have you driven the Porsche 919 or the La Farrari.

If so, please tell the result of your 'test'.


Paul

I doubt he's driven a 919 as that's the Le Mans race car....isn't it ?

You meant 918 shirley.

[Storer]

iva cosworth said:

Storer said:

I am curious Flemke.

Have you driven the Porsche 919 or the La Farrari.

If so, please tell the result of your 'test'.


Paul

I doubt he's driven a 919 as that's the Le Mans race car....isn't it ?

You meant 918 shirley.

You could be right, but in my defence, I have had a bottle of red with dinner and was thinking about our trip to Le Mans........


Paul

[Veeayt]

Storer said:

You could be right, but in my defence, I have had a bottle of red with dinner and was thinking about our trip to Le Mans........


Paul

Perhaps you could bother then and read a few pages back to get your answer.

[flemke]

Storer said:

I am curious Flemke.

Have you driven the Porsche 919918 or the La Farrari.

If so, please tell the result of your 'test'.


Paul

I have been passenger in both, was offered drives in both and declined because neither really interests me.

LaFerrari - I like the idea (V12, normal aspiration, electric add-ons limited to KERS), but the car is far too ugly, the build quality too mediocre, and the Ferrari tawdry pretentiousness too inescapable and pervasive for me to consider getting one.

918 - Very good build quality and development, nice interior, looks good, but I'm not spending the better part of a million quid to lug around 250kg of utterly meaningless batteries and a 4WD system that I do not want.

Ferrari more dynamic than P1, 918 less dynamic than P1.

[flemke]

Paddy_N_Murphy said:

I, Umm know we are not really allowed to 'like' the 'Donkey' car round these ways, but having just seen it in on TG, I have to say it's not half as ungainly as I thought it would be according to the magazine imagery I'd seen previously.

It's certainly good enough for me ...

You need to see it in the three dimensional flesh.

Those gaping air intakes above the rear wheels are horrible, and the way they chopped off the ends of the blade above the front splitter is just farcical - reminds me of the all-time ugliest Formula One car:



The only good thing about that racing car was that it was a March, and thereby Formula One's worst-ever regulator will forever be connected to Formula One's ugliest-ever car.

[alecmets2011]

The Ferrari is hideous. Distinctively modern Ferrari looking (those lights and sharp angles), which isn't a good thing.

As we seem to be discussing the recent TG episode, this is my perfect chance to ask opinions of American cars

Flemke, you seem the type that would genuinely dislike (trying to put it nicely) older more brash Corvettes. What is your opinion of the new one?

Also, the Ford Mustang is finally coming to the UK. Any thoughts?

As always, thanks for your time

[zx4000]

flemke said:

Hello sir. Thank you for your detailed post.

I am not completely sure of what is your question.
The F1 was produced with normal "coil" springs made by Eibach. The dampers go inside the coil springs, in a "coil-over" design.
The sketch you show is correct: at the front, the springs and dampers are horizontal and towards the middle, positioned over the driver's legs.
At the rear, the location is more normal, with the springs and dampers at a vertical angle coming off the uprights.

This gives an idea of the arrangement:


Also bear in mind that the F1 as standard had tyres with tall sidewalls (45 section). As is the case with Formula One cars, on the F1 the tall sidewalls contribute a lot to the overall compliance of the suspension system.

Thank you again for your post.

Thank you so much for the clarification.

[flemke]

RenesisEvo said:

I see a certain someone's letter has been published.

Now that it's for sale I have seen it.

They edited out more than 50% of what I wrote, which is okay because it's their magazine.
I am however amused to see that the part that they did not publish was where I demonstrated that their original article had been categorically wrong.

[Sway]

flemke said:

RenesisEvo said:

I see a certain someone's letter has been published.

Now that it's for sale I have seen it.

They edited out more than 50% of what I wrote, which is okay because it's their magazine.
I am however amused to see that the part that they did not publish was where I demonstrated that their original article had been categorically wrong.

Fancy putting the original letter on here?

[flemke]

Sway said:

flemke said:

RenesisEvo said:

I see a certain someone's letter has been published.

Now that it's for sale I have seen it.

They edited out more than 50% of what I wrote, which is okay because it's their magazine.
I am however amused to see that the part that they did not publish was where I demonstrated that their original article had been categorically wrong.

Fancy putting the original letter on here?

Some of it was not for publication, but the other and more substantial bit was an explanation of why their projection of the P1's theoretical Vmax, based on their estimate of the P1's frontal area, was a long way off. I summarised the details on this thread a few pages back.

[RenesisEvo]

flemke said:

Now that it's for sale I have seen it.

They edited out more than 50% of what I wrote, which is okay because it's their magazine.
I am however amused to see that the part that they did not publish was where I demonstrated that their original article had been categorically wrong.

Thanks for that. I was more amused by their printed reply, which to me smacked of desperation, "yes but we're still right because...". An honest apology/admission would have been much better, but then if everyone corrected the technical errors in EVO, there wouldn't be any pages left for watch adverts.

[buckle88]

I don't suppose anyone has any information about that red and white F1 that was flipped/hit a tree on the F1 rally a while back?
Just seen a picture of the crash again and wondered if it had been repaired?

Thanks

[Dave Hedgehog]

buckle88 said:

I don't suppose anyone has any information about that red and white F1 that was flipped/hit a tree on the F1 rally a while back?
Just seen a picture of the crash again and wondered if it had been repaired?

Thanks

i doubt it's possible to destroy one enough so that its not repaired as their value is vastly more than what McLaren would charge you to build one from scratch, i don't know if they can still supply an engine