Is the diesel backlash about to start?
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I ask this as a diesel driver covering 16k per year who really is hankering for a switch back to petrol. While I have been more than happy with my Giulietta 170 diesel, I really fancy a 170 petrol.
Basically my questions are:-
Is the rebellion against diesel starting now?
Will this cause the previously better resale value of diesels to plummet
Should I hop at this point
I realise on a petrolheaders forum this is the wrong question, but just asking folk to look into the crystal ball for a moment
Basically my questions are:-
Is the rebellion against diesel starting now?
Will this cause the previously better resale value of diesels to plummet
Should I hop at this point
I realise on a petrolheaders forum this is the wrong question, but just asking folk to look into the crystal ball for a moment
Yep.
Some of us have been calling this for a while:-
http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?t=139...
Taxes will increase; cities will charge for entry.
I don't have a huge deal of sympathy for people who have put mpg ahead of not poisoning the local community, though
Some of us have been calling this for a while:-
http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?t=139...
Taxes will increase; cities will charge for entry.
I don't have a huge deal of sympathy for people who have put mpg ahead of not poisoning the local community, though
ORD said:
Yep.
I don't have a huge deal of sympathy for people who have put mpg ahead of not poisoning the local community, though
You know it's not hugs and puppies coming out of the exhaust of petrol cars? Once they've taxed diesels off the roads they'll start looking at petrol again. It's happened before, and it will happen again.I don't have a huge deal of sympathy for people who have put mpg ahead of not poisoning the local community, though
I'd run my car on liquidised kittens or puppies if it meant it was cheaper to run.
If you want to get wound up about pollution, you'd be better targeting your opinions and actions in India, China, Pakistan, Africa- you know the countries/continents who really do make an impact......... and not just by car fumes, but by factories and over population.
If you want to get wound up about pollution, you'd be better targeting your opinions and actions in India, China, Pakistan, Africa- you know the countries/continents who really do make an impact......... and not just by car fumes, but by factories and over population.
I've toyed with going back to a diesel, more for the economy than anything. There's pros and cons, and for balance, I got rid of my last one for a 4.0 V8, because petrol's not going to get cheaper anytime soon and I've never owned a V8 before.
Anyway, diesel:
1) The price of it. Used to be the case that diesel was cheaper than petrol by a good few ppl as well. I dont know how it happened that it started being more expensive, but how it's sat at the moment, it's still cheaper to run a diesel based on fuel price
2) This supposed £20 levy on diesels to enter London. To be honest though, I hate London, and actively avoid going there. When I do, it's on Virgin Trains finest tilting carriages complete with lack of fresh air.
3) The potential of big bills. I've owned a TDCi Mondeo that spat it's DMF and injectors, I p/x'd it back to the dealer when the fuel pump timebomb started ticking. I've owned other diesels since (HDi 8v) that just used a bit of oil, but that was about it.
I think if more charges start coming in to cities for diesels, and the RFL of them goes up, they'll be as undesirable as big petrols are now
Anyway, diesel:
1) The price of it. Used to be the case that diesel was cheaper than petrol by a good few ppl as well. I dont know how it happened that it started being more expensive, but how it's sat at the moment, it's still cheaper to run a diesel based on fuel price
2) This supposed £20 levy on diesels to enter London. To be honest though, I hate London, and actively avoid going there. When I do, it's on Virgin Trains finest tilting carriages complete with lack of fresh air.
3) The potential of big bills. I've owned a TDCi Mondeo that spat it's DMF and injectors, I p/x'd it back to the dealer when the fuel pump timebomb started ticking. I've owned other diesels since (HDi 8v) that just used a bit of oil, but that was about it.
I think if more charges start coming in to cities for diesels, and the RFL of them goes up, they'll be as undesirable as big petrols are now
ORD said:
Yep.
Some of us have been calling this for a while:-
http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?t=139...
Taxes will increase; cities will charge for entry.
I don't have a huge deal of sympathy for people who have put mpg ahead of not poisoning the local community, though
Since April? it's been going on for 25 years at best! Some of us have been calling this for a while:-
http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?t=139...
Taxes will increase; cities will charge for entry.
I don't have a huge deal of sympathy for people who have put mpg ahead of not poisoning the local community, though
For years - decades! I've been reading this stuff. We did a calculation on another thread and concluded that in my lifetime, some 2.5 million people in the UK alone must have 'died of diesel', yet for some strange reason I've never heard of anyone doing so, nor know of anyone who knows somebody who knows of somebody who definitely died of air pollution, diesel related or otherwise.
The backlash has to start sometime, if there's any truth in the stories. Amazed it's taken so long though.
If I can find a used torquey, grunty petrol estate car that doesn't drink like a thirsty fish and doesn't have the same money pit time bomb potential as a modern diesel, I'll have it.
The EU need to change the now beaten CO2 emissions tests for there to be a significant change.
The EU need to change the now beaten CO2 emissions tests for there to be a significant change.
Edited by MC Bodge on Monday 11th August 16:10
MC Bodge said:
If I can find a used torquey, grunty petrol estate car that doesn't drink like a thirsty fish and doesn't have the same money pit time bomb potential as a modern diesel, I'll have it.
The EU need to change the now beaten CO2 emissions tests for there to be a significant change.
My LPG S4 fits the bill for you then! I bought it and never even paid a premium for the LPG part. Winner. The EU need to change the now beaten CO2 emissions tests for there to be a significant change.
Edited by MC Bodge on Monday 11th August 16:10
Glosphil said:
Is the diesel backlash about to start?
Of course it is. Because after more than 45 years of driving petrol cars a year ago I bought my first (used) diesel.
Of course it is. Because after more than 45 years of driving petrol cars a year ago I bought my first (used) diesel.
Autocar ran an article recently in which some guy (as specific as I can be bothered to be) said that the real problem with diesel cars is that they are massively more polluting after a few years than when they are first sold, such that the picture is going to get worse before it gets better. The rise in the number of diesel cars has been exponential in the last few years, and a lot of them will start to dirty up soon (if that mystery man is right).
Typical flip flop politics.
Similar with smoking and alcohol.
Put a huge amount of money and effort into trying to convince the public that smoking's the cause of all deaths and diseases. Now that smoking has largely been snuffed out and we're all still going to die of the same deseases, they now want to put the same billchit labels on booze.
All driven by people who got a degree in liberal studies !!!!! The great cop out "I've got a degree", scandal of the late 20th century.
Glad I'v got my TVR to go back to now its confirmed my LR & MB diesels are bad boys.
There now that would be a reversal, diesels being the cool evil.
Similar with smoking and alcohol.
Put a huge amount of money and effort into trying to convince the public that smoking's the cause of all deaths and diseases. Now that smoking has largely been snuffed out and we're all still going to die of the same deseases, they now want to put the same billchit labels on booze.
All driven by people who got a degree in liberal studies !!!!! The great cop out "I've got a degree", scandal of the late 20th century.
Glad I'v got my TVR to go back to now its confirmed my LR & MB diesels are bad boys.
There now that would be a reversal, diesels being the cool evil.
RochdalePioneers said:
Had diesels for 12 years and I've had my last. Sick of the noise, the vibration and the smell. Yes they're economical but expensive to buy and maintain and repair when the extra bits break.
I'm in my 50's and bought my first diesel 2 years ago and second last year.Noise? Vibration? Smell? Can't say I've noticed.
On the drive down to Spain this year I had to ask my daughter and friend to turn down their DVD earphones to try and get some engine noise feedback.
I'm in India this week. 2 stroke TuckTucks were band because of the pollution so 4 strokes PutPuts have taken over but what a stink.
20 minutes to the office and after 5 minutes I've a headache worse than an English beer hangover..
Noise, pollution or both ? I think both but compared to India, Europe is as clean as a whistle pollution free.
One law for the rich nations, another for the poor and then another for the pretend poor (China, India) and another for the mega rich USA, 40 TV's in every pub OTT and Russia can do what they want.
BY THE WAY I FLEW ON A DREAMLINER TO INDIA YESTERDAY so I saved the world.
20 minutes to the office and after 5 minutes I've a headache worse than an English beer hangover..
Noise, pollution or both ? I think both but compared to India, Europe is as clean as a whistle pollution free.
One law for the rich nations, another for the poor and then another for the pretend poor (China, India) and another for the mega rich USA, 40 TV's in every pub OTT and Russia can do what they want.
BY THE WAY I FLEW ON A DREAMLINER TO INDIA YESTERDAY so I saved the world.
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