PH thoughts on this 'Advanced' driver's dashcam vids?

[dombooth]

Olf said:

I've got it!!!

Just think of what you could put on there. Ha!

Although great idea in thought, I don't think it'd work well in practice.

Dom

[Foppo]

martine said:

USABRZ said:

...Proceed to stick your arm and/or head out the window to signal to the driver behind that you plan on reversing into the driveway.

I can see your idea but what exactly would you signal with your arm?

USABRZ said:

It is why it is appropriate to signal to pedestrians with a wave to let them know you see them and are letting them cross the road.

In the UK that would be a learner test failure - the examiner's don't like any waving or encouragement to others as it implies you are taking responsibility for their safety and also can be misinterpreted by others it is not intended for.

USABRZ said:

Blaming the average driver for not leaving you space is like a pro footballer playing in a gradeschool scrimage and getting upset the passes are not on the mark.

I like your (American) analogy.

Edited by martine on Tuesday 19th August 19:45

That is what I would do.Stick your arm out and point to your drive with a smile looking at the driver behind when your car is at a stop.Flashing reversing lights before you stop will only confuse drivers.What a examiner thinks is his business.>

[martine]

Foppo said:

That is what I would do.Stick your arm out and point to your drive with a smile looking at the driver behind when your car is at a stop.Flashing reversing lights before you stop will only confuse drivers.What a examiner thinks is his business.>

OK - not quite sure how clear you could make pointing through the driver's window to the driveway on the left and in front of your car - but perhaps one of those giant foam hands might work ;-)

The examiner comment was about the idea of signalling to pedestrians to cross...I also think it's bad practice and potentially unsafe so I understand their thinking.

[Foppo]

Oh I forgot and stick your head out if the pointing doesn't work.

Shout I want to be in that effing drive please.>

There is no safe answer to this manoeuvre is there,whatever you do there will be a risk.It all depends how understanding the other drivers are and have the patience to let you enter your drive.

Edited by Foppo on Tuesday 19th August 20:43

Edited by Foppo on Tuesday 19th August 20:44

[martine]

Foppo said:

Oh I forgot and stick your head out if the pointing doesn't work.

Shout I want to be in that effing drive please.>

There is no safe answer to this manoeuvre is there,whatever you do there will be a risk.It all depends how understanding the other drivers are and have the patients to let you enter your drive.

Edited by Foppo on Tuesday 19th August 20:43

Absolutely agree - it's one of those driving situations that has no clear answer I guess.

[FreeLitres]

I really want to see these clips now given the analysis.

Can anyone PM me with a working link?

[DrDoofenshmirtz]

Woulden't it just be easier to move house...
A nice little pad at the end of a cul-de-sac?

[Zoobeef]

I didn't think there were any houses without gravel drives and turning circles left anymore.

[carl_w]

martine said:

25NAD90TUL said:

My problem is you slagged me..

In what post did I slag you?

25NAD90UTL said:

Out of curiosity why are you jumping to that person's defense?

Where did I defend Dom?

25NAD90UTL said:

I know pals stick together and look after one another but at what price? You aren't doing yourself any favours and more importantly you aren't helping the public perception of the IAM much either.

I am not a 'pal' of Dom - what gives you that idea? To repeat, I didn't comment on the video because I thought Dom would answer for himself (which indeed he did) - and before you suggest I put him up to it, I can assure you, you are wrong.

Sorry but I still don't get where your personal aggressiveness is coming from...perhaps that's your style of forum posting?

Good to see Dom has offered an olive leaf though.

Edited by martine on Tuesday 19th August 19:40

Whoops. This thread would have probably died without your contribution to your mate's defence.

[martine]

carl_w said:

hoops. This thread would have probably died without your contribution to your mate's defence.

a) why would I want that?
b) remind me where I defended Dom?
c) nice try!

[M4cruiser]

Not too far off topic, but here's why you should always leave a gap in front of you when stopping, and not assume too much about where other drivers are going, keep all options open if you can: Same fault, similar result (someone impeded), although different situation to the one highlighted by the OP:-

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fwKncytWris


Edit: Forgot to add, on this occasion I wasn't driving the camera car.

Edited by M4cruiser on Wednesday 20th August 20:22

[StressedDave]

A few thoughts on the original problem (not 25NAD's issue with the IAM, but the reversing manoeuvre)...

1) Stripped of the fact it's into a driveway, this is nothing more or less a reverse round a corner to the left. Everyone is taught how to do this as part of the learning process and the method of execution by young Dom doesn't accord with what is taught and is therefore expected by the typical man on the Clapham omnibus.
2) You're reversing against the flow of oncoming traffic - it is beholden on you to cede priority to traffic that is travelling in the right direction. Sadly there is no universally accepted signal for 'I want to stop in the middle of the road, reverse towards you and I want you to give me priority because I don't like waiting'.
3)If traffic is really so bad that you would literally be waiting hours to complete the manoeuvre, then you need to find a different way. Perhaps a right reverse might work, or even driving forwards onto the driveway and then, when traffic has died down, turning the car round to face the right way. Just because it's less convenient for you it doesn't give you the right to do it your way and fk the rest of the driving public.

And onto 24NAD's well balanced view of the IAM...

The IAM is a charity and thus, at the grass roots level, is staffed by (occasionally over-)enthusiastic volunteers. HQ doesn't have a huge amount of control over what is done by regional groups at a personal level. Sadly the ability to demonstrate Garethism to the world at large has been supplied to the masses by YouTube. Stripped of the knowledge that the person that uploaded the footage happens to be the Chairman of a Group, it's just another Gareth showing his ignorance.

[mistakenplane]

martine said:

Absolutely agree - it's one of those driving situations that has no clear answer I guess.

I wonder why then, that the videos were uploaded pointing fingers at other road users' fault? Rather than accepting that it is a difficult manouevre that isnt perfect, and doing all you can to warn other road users what your intentions are?

[sideways20vT]

It really is a shame.

I would love to join a group such as the IAM but the impression I get is they mainly made up of Alan Partidge type characters. It may be wrong, but that's my impression (not helped by threads like this and some of the bizarre postings in the "advanced driving" area on this forum.

I am passionate about cars and driving and would love to improve my driving skills and share my passion with other like-minded people. There is such a gap in the market for an organisation that is not patronising and is focused on improving driving skills in a relaxed environment.

Just putting this out there - Pistonheads Advanced Drivers Club?

[jimmy156]

25NAD90TUL - You need to take a deep breath and calm down. What other people do on the internet really isn't worth getting so worked up about, get some perspective man!

Furthermore, snooping to 'check' when people are online and downloading their videos and sending them to people? Get a grip!

[StressedDave]

sideways20vT said:

It really is a shame.

I would love to join a group such as the IAM but the impression I get is they mainly made up of Alan Partidge type characters. It may be wrong, but that's my impression (not helped by threads like this and some of the bizarre postings in the "advanced driving" area on this forum.

I am passionate about cars and driving and would love to improve my driving skills and share my passion with other like-minded people. There is such a gap in the market for an organisation that is not patronising and is focused on improving driving skills in a relaxed environment.

Just putting this out there - Pistonheads Advanced Drivers Club?

IAM/RoADAR is not the alpha and omega of advanced driving...

[25NAD90TUL]

StressedDave said:

And onto 24NAD's well balanced view of the IAM...

Did you miss this?

25NAD90TUL said:

My experience of the IAM is that it was sound. It's the 'utter Gareths' who represent it online that are the problem.

[25NAD90TUL]

jimmy156 said:

25NAD90TUL - You need to take a deep breath and calm down. What other people do on the internet really isn't worth getting so worked up about, get some perspective man!

Furthermore, snooping to 'check' when people are online and downloading their videos and sending them to people? Get a grip!

I'm not/wasn't worked up.

Nobody was snooping, I had the website open where the link to the vids lives, where the person happened to be showing online.

[StressedDave]

25NAD90TUL said:

StressedDave said:

And onto 24NAD's well balanced view of the IAM...

Did you miss this?

25NAD90TUL said:

My experience of the IAM is that it was sound. It's the 'utter Gareths' who represent it online that are the problem.

I didn't miss it; what you appear to have missed however is that, other than your knowledge that Dom is a local Chairman, there's no reference to his YouTube channel being anything other than personal.

[25NAD90TUL]

sideways20vT said:

It really is a shame.

I would love to join a group such as the IAM but the impression I get is they mainly made up of Alan Partidge type characters. It may be wrong, but that's my impression (not helped by threads like this and some of the bizarre postings in the "advanced driving" area on this forum.

I am passionate about cars and driving and would love to improve my driving skills and share my passion with other like-minded people. There is such a gap in the market for an organisation that is not patronising and is focused on improving driving skills in a relaxed environment.

Just putting this out there - Pistonheads Advanced Drivers Club?

Hi, the IAM is basically a sound organisation, their heart is totally in the right place, by improving driver awareness, observation and responsibility when on-road and therefore improving road safety, they are a wonderful resource that I thoroughly recommend.

The problem is this, while the IAM has something like 40,000 (estimate) members, there exists a handful, and it is only a handful maybe 50 or so that congregate on a certain website dedicated to advanced driving in the UK.

This website, which will be found by every prospective advanced driver who is thinking of perhaps making a start, is where my issue lies, not with the IAM. The website has no affiliation or ties to the IAM whatsoever.

However those members of said website who are IAM members are in the habit of posting their IAM status as signatures which appear as a footnote to everything they post there. This is the problem. Much of the content posted there is one of three things, advice/methods which are completely anathema to the IAM training, OR criticising the IAM on the grounds of it being a kind of fanatical dogma OR so pedantic and petty to be completely off-putting to that prospect I mentioned earlier who is doing an internet search with a view to perhaps doing the IAM training.

That, for those who don't understand it, is my issue. It's about the people on that website bringing the IAM name down and putting prospective new members off. I'd estimate that a 'bloody lot' have been put off by this web presence. A lot of the members there are of the opinion that the content may be off-putting. A lot of public posts mention this.

Some of the nature of those persons has been displayed in this thread, it IS very off-putting, and threads like this are very off-putting too, I take responsibility here, but the issue of this other website thing is not going to go away without attention being brought to it. The website is where links to the videos were originally posted.

The IAM are in regular correspondence with me over this issue being a former member of both the IAM and my local IAM group who has 'bailed' precisely over this very issue. They are aware of the issue with this private website and are keen to do something about IAM senior members flying the IAM flag there but unfortunately they don't presently know what they can do about it.